Talk:Leni Riefenstahl

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WP:BALANCE in the "Reception" section and in the lead

I am concerned about potential WP:BALANCE problems in the "Reception" section and in the lead, i.e. it appears (to me) to be weighted against WP:DUE criticism of Riefenstahl. I've moved an attributed statement connecting her to the Holocaust from the lead down to the "Reception" section, but at some point a statement summarizing the scholarly consensus on her relationship to Nazi atrocities –– and her role as a problematic figure in the struggle of Germans to come to terms with them afterward –– should be re-added there. In the meantime, more sources discussing these aspects of her reception should be discussed in more detail in the article body. In particular, I'd suggest that more could be drawn from the work of Steven Bach, both his 2007 biography Leni: The Life and Work of Leni Riefenstahl and his landmark 2002 essay "The Puzzle of Leni Riefenstahl".Generalrelative (talk) 03:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Update: I've been working on this but still consider the work unfinished. Generalrelative (talk) 20:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

A few more sources to possibly use (or expand usage of): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. Generalrelative (talk) 20:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Photograph with Marlene Dietrich and Anna May Wong?

There used to be a famous photograph of Riefenstahl standing with Marlene Dietrich and Anna May Wong at a 1920s party in the wikipedia articles for all three women. It's apparently been suppressed from Wikimedia. Could someone please rectify this? It is, after all, a very famous photograph of three diverse historic (and photogenic) women, even if Riefenstahl did admittedly and extremely unfortunately work on the opposite side for a while, very regrettably. Wong is coming out any day now on newly minted quarters in the United States while Dietrich was extremely anti-Hitler during WW2, putting on live shows for Allied soldiers life-threateningly near to the front lines in spite of knowing what would happen to her had she been captured. Racing Forward (talk) 12:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

My guess is that if it's been taken down from Wikimedia it has to do with copyright rather than any kind of POV/taste issue. Wikimedia hosts all kinds of tasteless stuff. Generalrelative (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

I'm very confused by this sentence in the WWII section: "Almost to the end of her life, despite overwhelming evidence that the concentration camp occupants had been forced to work on the movie unpaid, Riefenstahl continued to maintain all the film extras survived and that she had met several of them after the war." What does forced unpaid film work have to do with surviving the war? At the end of the paragraph, it says they were sent to Auschwitz, which would be much more relevant to mention here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Good point. I've fixed the sentence as you suggested. Generalrelative (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Peter Jacob

Major Eugen Karl "Peter" Jacob (30 Dec 1909-22 February 1992 ?)

It's not clear even what his name is! Michael Miller and Andreas Schulz give his name as Alfred H. Jacob. A book by Roland Kaltenegger calls him Hans-Peter Jacob.

Self-published source Find A Grave says "Peter married Leni Riefenstahl at Kitzbuhel on the first day of spring in 1944. The magistrate happened to have been Peter's messenger at the front line of the war. In 1944 he held the rank of major in the German army. They separated three years later. They had no children.

He was Chief of the 2nd Gebirgsjäger, Regiment 143. He won the RK on 6/13/41."

He was later associated with Henriette von Schirach. They may have married and divorced, or possibly never married.

IMDB

https://en.metapedia dot org/wiki/Hans-Peter_Jacob

He finally married Ellen Schwiers.

cagliost (talk) 10:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

See also Talk:Henriette_von_Schirach#Relationship with Peter Jacob. cagliost (talk) 10:25, 28 December 2023 (UTC)