Talk:Pre-1600 Atlantic hurricane seasons

Todo?

What more can be done? Is this as far as this article can go, based on lack of information? Hurricanehink 02:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

For the moment, probably so. Jdorje 02:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Part of the reason it's start-class though is that it uses a tabular format that is non-standard. I have nothing against using tables for the seasons, but they need to be prettier and more consistent. Jdorje 02:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Move

Umm shouldn't we move this article to "Pre-1525 Atlantic hurricane seasons"? Yes, of course we have no hard data for earlier years, but "Data for years before 1492 is completely unavailable" is not exactly relevant to 1492-1524 is it?--Nilfanion (talk) 15:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

OK. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

1508 storm

It says that on August 16 when it effected Puerto Rico but August 12 is when it effected Dominican Republic.[1] Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 04:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Might not be the same storm. --bender235 (talk) 10:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Move II

Regarding this move by User:Hurricanehink: why do you think there were no hurricane seasons before 1600? —bender235 (talk) 10:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Seasons are something man-made, and the first official hurricane season wasn't until the 1930s. It's like saying there were baseball seasons before the invention of baseball. I don't mind the season article for consistency back a little bit, but not all the way back. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the definition of "hurricane season" is man-made in the 1930s, but nonetheless there were hurricane seasons for thousands and millions of years. From your perspective, we'd also have to rename Great Hurricane of 1780, because the definition of "hurricane" did not exist back then. —bender235 (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

IDK. To be technical, the storms before 1800 or whatever were retroactively called tropical cyclones, and none were called such at the time. I don't think any years were considered seasons retroactively. A season implies something structured, but there was no structure for any of those years. We just happen to know of a few isolated incidents of tropical cyclones in those years, hence my change in title. --Hurricanehink (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't you then have to rename all "seasons" up to 1930? —bender235 (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, that's a bit much. HURDAT doesn't really refer to any early years as "seasons", although they do mention 1914 being the "quietest hurricane season ever". That more or less justifies keeping the years as seasons back to 1851 (if they were all individual yearly articles), but I would say the decadal articles pre-1851 should not be referred as "seasons". --Hurricanehink (talk) 17:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I just checked that David M. Ludlum mentions "hurricane seasons" in his book, Early American Hurricanes (e.g. page 7, "The season of 1591..."). So does José Carlos Millás in Hurricanes of the Caribbean and Adjacent Regions, 1492-1800 (e.g. page 24, "...good fortune that Columbus had in his first voyage of 1492 to the New World, undertaken precisely during the height of the hurricane season..."). So it looks like scientists do recognize the existence of early hurricane seasons. —bender235 (talk) 17:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

IDK, I just think using "hurricane seasons" in the title seems too specific for such a broad topic. The article isn't about the individual seasons, unlike 1851 to present, but rather the tropical cyclones that we know of in a certain set of years. --Hurricanehink (talk) 20:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

True. And by the way, I was about to say that its the same on 1600–1619 Atlantic hurricane seasons, but I just saw you moved it to List of Atlantic hurricanes in the 1600s. But it is still the same on 1700–1719 Atlantic hurricane seasons. And although I'm beginning to see your point, I think we might this discuss this with more participants, let's say on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones. Because if we keep List of Atlantic hurricanes in the 1600s, we would also have to create List of Atlantic hurricanes in the 1700s, and maybe List of Atlantic hurricanes 1800–1849. —bender235 (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I still think the title should be something without the word season (and it shouldn't matter while it's on FLC). As for having it on WPTC or not, I think here is fine, since it details this specific article. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• I would also support moving the article, simply because it is not organized using the concept of seasons at all. The remaining decadal articles do mention annual seasons, but this article is a list of storms. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 02:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

If no one opposes, I'll move it. It shouldn't affect the FLC. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Move it to what? --bender235 (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

What about the 1502 storm? it sounded very much like possible hurricane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoodguyas (talk • contribs) 17:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

1510 Hurricane?

Apparently the explorer Alonso de Ojeda was struck by a hurricane in 1510 while he was being captured by a pirate called Bernardino de Talavera. However, I couldn't find anything mentioning it on this page. SebastianLin2345 (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)