Talk:List of English districts by ethnicity

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How were they amalgamated? Does afro-caribbean include african (they were separate categories). Were the mixed race categories ignored or amalgamated? Secretlondon 02:16, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I would like to amend this page, because I do not think that it adequately represents "ethnic diversity". It would be better to run the Simpson's Diversity Index with ALL the 16 ethnic group categories, rather than aggregating the White groups together. In this analysis, the Black Caribbean and the Black African ethnic groups were seen as two separate categories. The Mixed White and Black ethnic groups were aggregated with the "Other Black" group. The Mixed White and Asian group was aggregated with the "Other Asian" group. The Mixed groups are quite small, and will reduce the Diversity Index scores simply because of their small numbers, but if one is wanting a measure of ethnic diversity, I believe it is best to include all the groups. Mivona 21:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

What is meant by ethnic diversity here

leicester is ranked as more ethnically diverse than waltham forest simply because the white population is slightly lower, hoever in waltham forest 2 random people are more likly to be from different ethnic groups. Leicester is more Bi-ethnic (white and south asian) than multi-ethnic/diverse but for some reason is ranked as more diverse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.188.249 (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

POV tag

I have tagged this article for bias because there is a clear implication in the current title that a district with fewer white people is better (higher ranked) than one with more white people. I'm not sure how to resolve this problem, which is a manifestation of the inverted racism that is so fashionable at the moment. Alex Middleton (talk) 19:38, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

As a commited racist I find the opposite to be true. It seems to me that this list shows what districts have the least minorities and are therefore better places to live. On a serious note I find the lack of a column on those of mixed race to be the real thing which prevents this article from being neutral. 86.136.113.61 (talk) 20:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

There is no explanation in this article of what "ethnic diversity" is, and how you calculate a value for it from the figures provided. Unless there is a reliable source that can provide such definitions, this looks like original research, which is not permitted. -- Dr Greg  talk  01:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

As the original creator of this page I have made some improvements preparatory to addressing the issues raised here. I have explained the figures, cited sources, added the missing "Mixed" column and provided more precision for the sorting than the displayed 0.1%. I have also reverted the column headings to the terminology actually used by the census, rather than the unsourced euphemistic emendations which others (and indeed I myself) have seen fit to make.

Mivona, 92.19.188.249 and Dr Greg seem to have misinterpreted my meaning, which was not a sophisticated auto-correlation index but simply "by total percentage Black & Minority Ethnic groups". Clearly this misunderstanding would be best remedied by renaming the page to something like List of English districts showing population ethnicity. I don't fully accept either Alex Middleton or 86.136.113.61's contradictory allegations of bias - the figures are official UK Government statistics and any perception that there are "good" and "bad" ends can only come from the mind of the reader. However I accept that the imposition of a ranking order may give rise to unintended perceptions that the districts are one way or the other being "judged", and wonder whether it would be better simply to present the table by default in alphabetical order of district name (and remove the ranking column). Anyone wishing to sort either upwards or downwards by any column can of course immediately do so with modern sortable tables. How would people fell about that?--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 15:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

P.S. does anyone else think the Census questions were a bit muddled? In what sense is "Black British" or "Asian British" an ethnic group? By what definition is "Chinese" not "Asian", and where does it leave Japanese, Vietnamese or Tibertan?--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 15:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Keith. I'm a lot happier with this now. It's much clearer where the data came from and what the column headings mean, and re-interpretation by other editors has been removed. I'd be prepared to accept it as it now is (and lose the POV tag), but I quite like your suggestion of removing the rank column altogether with a default alphabetical sort. We'd need to think of a new title for the list of course. What do others think?

Just to give an example over my concern over the interpretation of "diversity": you could argue that 12th-rated Waltham Forest with 3 main groups (64% White, 15% Asian, 15% Black) is "more diverse" than 3rd-rated Tower Hamlets (51% white, 36% Asian, 6% Black) on the grounds that it is mostly White and Asian but not many Black. -- Dr Greg  talk  21:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, Dr. G, it looks like we two will have to sort it out unaided. I guess the title most in keeping with the way the question was posed would be List of English districts showing population breakdown by ethnic group - not exactly snappy but I can't imagine many people will be trying to type it from memory. I shall go ahead and make the changes in a few days unless you have any alternative suggestions. I have created a mock-up revised page at User:Keith Edkins/List of English districts showing population breakdown by ethnic group--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 08:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

How about "List of English districts and their ethnic composition" or something like that? Your sandbox version looks OK to me. -- Dr Greg  talk  19:28, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Done.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 18:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Update?

The 2011 census results have been revealed judging by what I've been reading in the papers this week. Shouldn't this page be updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.154.180 (talk) 07:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 24 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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List of English districts and their ethnic composition → List of English districts by ethnicity – To match the related articles at List of English districts by population, List of English districts by population density, and List of English districts by area. 2A02:C7D:3C1A:7300:E8D2:5290:D2C8:C9C1 (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support as per nomination. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: List of English districts by population is sorted by descending population. That's what "by population" means. Similarly the other lists mentioned. How do you propose to sort this article by descending ethnicity? There is no "ethnicity" column in the table. -- Dr Greg  talk  16:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
• support regarding sorting, we can use the same method currently used in the article: sort the districts alphabetically. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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