Talk:Fire Emblem Awakening

Most suitable article title

I want to clean this article up a little bit, but I'm unsure as to which title would be best. "Fire Emblem" is a working title, we know, but with previous games of that name existing, would "Fire Emblem (Nintendo 3DS)" or "Fire Emblem (2012 video game)" be better? Cipher ^(Talk) 13:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Now that the English-language title has been confirmed as Fire Emblem: Awakening, I propose a move to that title. Wehpudicabok (talk) 03:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree, and moved it. Sergecross73 msg me 03:12, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

In nearly all official sources, such as Nintendo's press releases, their official website, the Nintendo eShop, and even the Fire Emblem Awakening Puzzle Swap panel in StreetPass Mii Plaza for Nintendo 3DS, the game's title is referred to as "Fire Emblem Awakening" without a colon, so shouldn't the article title omit the colon as well? 71.35.22.104 (talk) 02:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess you're right. I've moved it again. Sergecross73 msg me 02:54, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

The PAL region version of the game has a colon between Fire Emblem and Awakening. This spans to the title of the game cartridge, the title in the 3DS system library, streetpass puzzle, Nintendo UK's site and almost everywhere. It's only the American release that doesn't include the colon. If possible, could someone familiar with editing on wiki add information about how it's stylised outside America please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.4.39 (talk) 00:56, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

DLC source

Here. Enjoy! Axem Titanium (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Also of note, this isn't the FIRST Nintendo-developed game for which DLC is available. Edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.42.3.3 (talk) 21:21, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

What games came before it? Sergecross73 msg me 21:26, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

( NSMB2 Coin Rush Packs ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.173.62.51 (talk • contribs)

It was the first game with paid DLC. NSMB2 didn't have paid DLC until later. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, Fire Emblem initially came out in April 2012 in Japan, well before NSMB2's late July/August release. So Fire Emblemm came first. Sergecross73 msg me 13:36, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Time Travel?

The article currently is tagged with a "time travel" category. Is this true/warranted? I haven't done a ton of research on the game yet, but I certainly don't recall that being a recurring concept in past FE games I've played, nor do I recall it off hand in what I've read about this one so far... Sergecross73 msg me 21:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

It seems a User has informed me in an edit summary that "time travel" comes from the game's explanation as to how characters/levels from different games (which take place in different timeframes) are implemented into the game as DLC. Sergecross73 msg me 18:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Time travel isn't used in this case. Characters are basically brought back to life as ghosts. The game could be tagged with a "time travel" category due to story events, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.245.37.178 (talk) 21:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I've recently started playing Fire Emblem Awakening and the Time Travel tag is definitely warranted as the entire story past Chapter 6 wouldn't have happened without one of the main characters using time travel. Merkerser^{Talk to me} 05:08, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/the-incredible-depth-of-fire-emblem-awakening Sergecross73 msg me 01:28, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

• http://m.gamespot.com/fire-emblem-awakening/previews/fire-emblem-awakening-aims-to-keep-the-series-flames-burning-6402332/ Sergecross73 msg me 00:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. While I am reluctant to call this consensus against moving, it seems neither title is unarguably the most prevalent; following that conclusion, the arguments that we should side with the official source offer some weight. In any case, I cannot see the needed consensus to enact a move.

In any case, Axem earns a bone-cruncing hug from me for the heartwarming declaration that we are his friends. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 05:50, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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Fire Emblem Awakening → Fire Emblem: Awakening – Per WP:NCVG "Use the most commonly accepted English name first". Metacritic lists 27 reviews for the game only IGN doesn't use a colon. Also WP:NCVG says: "When naming articles for specific games in a series it is best to be consistent throughout the entire series as much as possible. This includes the use of subtitles and numbering." Mika1h (talk) 15:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - The reason I had moved it to Fire Emblem Awakening a week or so ago was because a user mentioned that the ":" isn't used anywhere on Nintendo's official website for the game, nor on the actual game itself. Sergecross73 msg me 15:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Don't invent colons or subtitles where they don't exist. COMMONNAME does not apply when the official title is more simple than the alternative. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I haven't invented anything. I provided the Metacritic link where the colon is clearly used. --Mika1h (talk) 00:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Maybe not, but the point still stands overall. Wouldn't Nintendo have more authority over the title than Metacritic? Sergecross73 msg me 00:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
      • No, because as it reads in NCVG: commonly accepted name trumps official name. Also I'm not saying Metacritic has authority, it's a handy way for linking the different reliable sources. --Mika1h (talk) 01:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME does not apply when the official title is more simple without the ":" as noted in the game's website and the actual game itself. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:32, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support WP:BRD ... and "Awakening" is clearly the undertitle, the standard method of recording such titles on Wikipedia is to use a colon to separate the two elements, overtitle and undertitle; as wikipedia cannot use two line titles. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
  • To be clear, the link you just cited, WP:BRD, is "Bold, Revert, Discuss", which has absolutely nothing to do with article titling. Did you mean something else? Sergecross73 msg me 21:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
    • It has everything to do with the recent rename, see WT:RM -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:56, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
      • Well, yeah, BRD says that technically Mika could have reverted back to the old version and then started discussion, but it's not a rationale for actual titling. (And it seems like we're a little past that now, with discussion already being started, and at least three people opposing it already.)I assumed you were trying to quote a policy that determined article policy naming, like WP:COMMONNAME or WP:AT. Beyond that, wouldn't you think its actual name given by its creator would trump how other titles have been titled in the past? Sergecross73 msg me 23:39, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
        • If you had examined WT:RM, you would see that currently, it doesn't matter how many people support or oppose it, it can still be processed as a speedy revert, despite an open discussion on the matter (there's an extensive discussion on this very case; an open RM with well attended opinions and a BRD reversion on it). -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 21:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
          • You're missing the point. WP:BRD by itself didn't appear to make any sense. If you just would have said something like "Per BRD, Mika should put it back to it's original title and then we should discuss" there wouldn't have been any misunderstanding. When you put it there with no explanation, it looks like you were saying "Let's use the colon per BRD", which doesn't make any sense. Upon further explanation by you, I know now that's not what you're getting at, so you don't really need to keep discussing this... Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support Game titles usually never have the colon in the title, they just have it on different lines. However, the colon is implied and used in most forms of publicity. As the original poster has said, most of the reviews have a colon. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 05:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Where do we draw the line in adding to titles like this though, just for the sake of this standardization? Super Smash Bros. Brawl, for example, is not Super Smash Bros: Brawl (A Featured Article no less.) Nor is it Super Mario: Galaxy, or Bioshock: Infinite, or Chrono: Cross, etc etc. As you can see by the variation in red and blue links, some have redirects, others don't, but none are titled like that in their article... Sergecross73 msg me 13:59, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
    • (ec) Or ~*~StAr TrEk: iNtO dArKnEsS~*~, amirite? Axem Titanium (talk) 15:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Most of the publications use this form of naming. The boxart never usually has a colon, and the stuff on the website is just Nintendo being weird, I don't know. And it is not like this is a new occurrence. All previous games in the series have no colon in the game's boxart, yet the article title has it anyways. I don't see why you think we are "creating something where it isn't".

Also, like I said... this is just Nintendo being weird. If you look at the main website, where it shows the "Free eShop Demo" it displays the colon in the name.

Out of the four Retailers, only ToysRUs has the colon omitted. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 15:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

On the other hand, Nintendo's page. There seems to be this dogma saying that extra words are automatically "subtitles" and that "subtitles are automatically separated by a colon". Axem Titanium (talk) 15:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, if there's consensus to change Nintendo's product title over them "being weird", then so be it I guess. Sergecross73 msg me 15:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

But the difference is we are not inventing this title. It is various reliable sources such as retailers and reviewers. Most of them are using this naming convention. Why should we be the only ones to strictly follow what is on the official website? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 15:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Because it feels like the reasoning is "Well, these unaffiliated third party sources used the wrong name, so we better follow suit". We need third party sources for things like determining notability or referencing "Reception" sections. I don't believe "Interpreting titles" should be one of those things, when we've got an official, verifiable word from the creator. (And while I'm familiar with COMMONNAME, I don't think this falls into what COMMONNAME is trying to do. For instance, it says use "Bill Clinton" over "William Clinton", even if William is technically correct, because it's more recognizeable. But this colon does nothing for anyone's ability to recognize a game. No ones going to be like "Fire Emblem Awakening, What the heck is that? Oh, you mean "Fire Emblem (colon) Awakening. Oh yeah sure, I've heard of that"... Sergecross73 msg me 16:07, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. There is no reason to be arguing about this, because either is good for the public eye. But the pros for the colon outweigh the cons, and it didn't need to be changed in the first place.

• Colon: History of previous games in the series, numerous sources including retailers and reviewers, common sense, some parts of the Nintendo website such as Iwata Asks.
• No Colon: The official website, and the very few websites that have followed suit. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 16:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to have to Support this. Note that my support is not personal support; in conversation both written and spoken I probably will not acknowledge the presence of a colon. Looking at the official site, it consistently, in written text, uses the colon. A colon is not a big deal, but at the same time, it is definitely accurate. So, with all due respect, the move was a faulty one, as it was based on Nintendo's stance on the title, which as we can see is that the colon is a part of the title. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 21:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the Official website seems to be confused on their stance of using the colon, and it probably depends on what webmaster is editing the information at that time. In the "Hardware Bundle" and "eShop" sections, it includes the colon, as well as in the Iwata Asks interview. However, on various pages, and if you chose to share the page on twitter or something, it omits the colon. Definitely weird, but if you are trying to use the official site as your only stance for using no colon, it is not a reliable one. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 21:11, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

All I had done was browse the website and the boxart, and didn't see it upon that initial search. If the website does use both, and I didn't search enough of the website, then I guess I can see your point. Sergecross73 msg me 21:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

From the Twitter of Bill Trinen, Nintendo's head of localization and marketing: "no colon". Axem Titanium (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, that cements for me. I've got to stick with my "oppose" knowing that. Sergecross73 msg me 02:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Dual Strike and Support in Battle

The article needs to mention that characters enter into battle with other characters when they are adjacent to an ally. Otherwise, people who haven't played the game would be completely confused. 24.245.37.178 (talk) 21:28, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Colon in the European name

I know this has already been discussed in terms of the article name, and I'm certainly not mooting a move (since it did launch in North America first), but I do wonder if it's worth mentioning in the lead sentence that the game's name is stylised as Fire Emblem: Awakening in Europe. The game's official European game page uses this name throughout, and the same applies to the official website, the electronic manual, and the game case's spine to name but a few. Interested to know if this would merit addition to the wiki page. Jack talk 13:17, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Not really...I mean, different spellings are one thing, but I doubt a colon is going to clear up any misconceptions. (It's not like someones going to think Fire Emblem Awakening and Fire Emblem: Awakening were 2 separate games, or not recognize one or the other due to the placement of the colons...) The fact that Fire Emblem: Awakening redirects to the page is probably enough. Sergecross73 msg me 19:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fire Emblem Awakening/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 12:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll have this to you very soon ☠ Jaguar ☠ 12:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Initial comments

• "and published locally and internationally by Nintendo" - why not just "published by Nintendo"?
• The lead summarises the article well so this meets the GA criteria
• "Should the main protagonist or the character Chrom die in battle, the player receives a "Game Over" message and must restart the battle" - is this true in both Casual and Classic mode?
• "Awakening was the first Fire Emblem game for the Nintendo 3DS, then unreleased and still undergoing final development" - the 3DS was still undergoing final development or the game?

References

• I'm using a restricted server at the moment so I cannot access the toolserver. I had to check them manually and found no dead links. The references are also properly formatted

Close - promoted

I can hardly believe this myself but even now the article meets every aspect of the GA criteria. It is broad, comprehensive and well written. I couldn't find any major issues that would put this GAN on hold. Well done ☠ Jaguar ☠ 13:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast. Nice work, ProtoDrake! Sergecross73 msg me 16:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Pre-timeskip characters

I read someone talking about the "pre-timeskip girls" but I do not know what that means.

Which girls are pre-timeskip and which ones are post-timeskip? Can we identify this on the list? Ranze (talk) 20:47, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

No information on soundtrack

This article lacks any substantial information on the game's notable soundtrack. Unfortunately it seems hard to find sources good on it, but if anybody is able to find enough information for at least a couple sentences, it should be added to the article. Uncle Alf (talk) 20:29, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019

Change "Japanese sales tracker Media Create attributed the initial high sales to Nintendo's promotional campaign." under Sales to "Japanese sales tracker Media Create suggested the initial high sales could be the result of several factors such as the 5 year wait for a new entry in the series, promotional campaigns, new gameplay systems, and new character designs.". This change request is for the purpose of accurately quoting the source. Javelin59 (talk) 18:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

 Partly done: @Javelin59: I didn't replace the existing text with a direct quote as I found the section to adequately sum up the information. I did add "and a five year wait between releases" to the existing sentence for clarification as I didn't see this bit of information in the article. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 12:44, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Sad

Over 77 percent of Americans have NEVER heard of the Fire Emblem series and over 96 percent of Americans have never played any Fire Emblem game ever. Over 85 percent of Europeans have never heard of the Fire Emblem series and over 96 percent of Europeans have never played any Fire Emblem games ever. It's a fact. It's so sad that articles on things that over 90 percent of our planet doesn't even know about gets made good articles.

Most encyclopedias in the world don't even have entries for Fire Emblem and that is a fact (ie Brittanica). I promise you that in no encyclopedias that are created in 100 or more years from now will have any mention of Fire Emblem, it's that irrelevant.JessieLorna9z (talk) 18:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Contradiction?

In the synopsis, it says Grima and Robin die forever, but next sentence it says Robin is alive and well? Isn’t this contradictory? 2600:1008:B036:D6C8:90BF:3508:D85A:BB88 (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)