Talk:List of Catholic dioceses in Europe

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Why was this moved from "List of Catholic dioceses in Europe"? I think that it should be reverted. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 9 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested, per the discussion below. Please initiate a new move discussion if you would like to retitle the page again. Dekimasuよ! 00:33, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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List of Roman Catholic dioceses in Europe → List of Catholic dioceses in Europe – Per WP:CONSISTENCY with all other entries (204 total) in Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses by country. Chicbyaccident (talk) 21:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support Rreagan007 (talk) 04:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Consistency with Catholic Church. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 18:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 19 July 2018

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Not moved. There is a clear consensus against the proposed move. bd2412 T 02:51, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

List of Catholic dioceses in Europe → List of Roman Catholic dioceses in Europe – I am challenging the result of the above requested move of 10 days ago, because I believe consensus is weak (only 2 editors expressed an opinion) and a key point was overlooked. Roman Catholic is not synonymous with Catholic because this overlooks the Eastern Catholic dioceses in Europe, most of which are not on this list. For this reason, I'd like to revert to the original name until a clear proposition is put forward with extra care, precising how the new list intends to deal with Eastern Catholic dioceses. If this list is meant to include only the structure of the Roman Church and not the other churches sui juris, then the previous name is better. Place Clichy (talk) 17:05, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Catholic redirects to Catholic Church, which comprises both Eastern Catholic Churches and Latin Church. Your assertion of latter's name being "Roman Catholic" clearly does not correspond to WP:CONSENSUS. So if anything regarding your side notes, it seems like WP:BURDEN is on you. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

  Consensus to have the article on the main Catholic Church named Catholic Church is one thing, and I am happy with that. But this attempt to plaster a consensus for one particular article and replacing any instance of "Roman Catholic" by "Catholic" independently of context, especially where there is a an ambiguity between Roman Catholics and Eastern Catholics, goes well beyong this particular consensus (see WP:ORACLES). The discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 9#Catholicism by country does not seem to show there is an overall consensus for any mass renaming in the blind. And about burden, I think I demonstrated that the current article is not the List of Catholic dioceses in Europe. Maybe topics specific to the Roman Church should be moved in a way to populate the poor-state Category:Latin Church (your creation btw) instead of adding confusion between Roman and Eastern Catholic organisations. Place Clichy (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Consistency with Catholic Church. This issue has been discussed repeatedly on that article's talk page. The reason "Roman" is sometimes added to the name has nothing to with Eastern Catholics. It is because the Church of England wanted to stress that it too is "catholic" in the generic sense of the word (albeit not upper cased "Catholic"). Nine Zulu queens (talk) 23:19, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

  In the context of this article, the "Roman" epithet has everything to do with the difference between Roman and Eastern Catholics, and nothing to do with the Church of England. Please note that the article lists only dioceses belonging to the Latin/Roman Catholic Church (including some Eastern rite organisations), and no organizations of any other particular Church. See for instance Category:Eastern Catholic dioceses in Europe. Note that articles like Catholic (term), Roman Catholic (term), Latin Church, Eastern Catholic Churches and others have plenty of references that the term "Roman Catholic" is also used, especially by Eastern Catholics, to differenciate them from the mother Church. The name of the article should reflect that it is limited to the Roman Church. If you are so angry about the "Roman Catholic" term, may I suggest List of dioceses of the Latin Church in Europe, per Latin Church? This could then be expanded for other articles and categories which deal with topis specific to the Latin/Roman Catholic Church and not covering the global Catholic Church including the Eastern Churches. Let me also ping @Laurel Lodged and Fayenatic london: who expressed interest above or in renaming Catholic categories and articles. Place Clichy (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:CONSISTENCY with the main article which is located at "Catholic Church". Rreagan007 (talk) 03:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
  • This is not the same topic. This article is about dioceses of the Roman Catholic / Latin Church, not all dioceses of the global Catholic Church. Place Clichy (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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