Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in South America

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Several countries had the weird and ridiculous footnote that they could be argued to be a part of North America. I believe this to be vandalism, by Inkan####.south america have 13 countries

In no way, shape or form could it be said that Aruba, Trinidad and the Netherlands Antilles could be argued to be a part of North America. Neither historical, geographical or economic ties warrant this. I'd like to see arguments from those who think this is so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Tjoe-Nij (talk • contribs) 15:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Trinidad & Tobago, Netherlands Antilles, Aruba

All these island entities are right off the coast of South America. Especially T&T. I think then that there is a geographic justification to include them in this list. They should then have footnotes about how it's been argued that these areas are in either SA or NA. That is the same approach as taken with Georgia/Azerbaijan/Armenia/Turkey/Cyprus: They're listed in both the Asia and Europe lists because they could arguably be in either list. Please consider this, I really think these places should be listed. Inkan1969 (talk) 21:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The list of countries is based on United Nations geoscheme for the Americas. The islands listed above belong the Caribbean. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 12:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, we can list those three countries in the website with footnotes noting that there are geographic arguments that these countries can be considered South American but the United Nations doesn't list them on their geoscheme, probably for cultural reasons. Should the geoscheme really be the last word on what country belongs to what continent?Inkan1969 (talk) 17:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright, fine. You can add them back into the article (note that I reformatted most of the article). I'll add note and probably a legend indicating that these three sovereign states are not considered part of South America by the UN geoscheme. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll do it when I have more time. Inkan1969 (talk) 18:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

I am missing these islands in this list. Do they not belong to South America? FHessel (talk) 15:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Basis of the List

I disagree that we should base this list solely on the UN list. None of the other Lists by continent are. Instead I propose adding the territories which could be included in South America, but with qualifiers explaining that, either in note form or by coloured legend. Territories that could be included:

• Trinidad and Tobago: Geographically South America, with a note it is usually considered Caribbean due to social and political reasons.
• South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands: Sometimes considered South America, as opposed to Antarctica, due to their being above 60S.
• Aruba,Bonaire,Curacao: Similar to Trinidad and Tobago in that it is considered Caribbean due to social and political reasons.

They seem like suitable additions. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 06:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Economic statistics

Is it worth having all these tables here? None of the other continent tables have them. Maybe they could be moved to a separate article? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:54, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The list of countries is based on United Nations geoscheme for the Americas. The islands listed above belong the CaribbeanArticle title == There has been an extensive debate over at Talk:List of European countries and territories about what should and should not be included in the list because of the title. Most editors there support moving the page to either List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe or List of European sovereign states and territories. If the European list is moved it is likely this list will be moved as well in the next few days unless there is opposition to such a move here. It would help to avoid confusion and disputes if the all of these lists (countries and territories by continents) have the same title. Saying sovereign state rather than country is a more precise term and is in line with the fact List of countries redirects to the list of sovereign states article.

If you have thoughts on the title please raise them here or ideally join the debate at Talk:List of European countries and territories. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 19:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

panama

panama tambien es parte de sudamerica ponganlo en la lista

economy

las americas tienen mucho en comun con su economia no podes decir que norteamerica y sudamerica poseen diferentes economias cuando las del caribe y centroamerica son las mismas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.127.24.46 (talk) 06:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Horrible news

Whenever I sort this list by area, it always says that Uruguay is smaller than Chile but larger than Paraguay. It is in fact much smaller than Paraguay. Anyone know why?? Georgia guy (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

An IP decided it would be funny to change the figures. Fixed now. CMD (talk) 20:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Issues

This article has issues. The inclusion of Caribbean countries is wrong, as they are already in the North American one. And is there any reason the Falkland Islands are omitted, despite appearing in the UN geoscheme? I haven't fixed them as I wanted to see if there was any reply. If there isn't, I will fix the issues in a few days. Thanks, Matty.007 12:13, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

It's not necessarily wrong for countries to be in more than one list. Turkey for example is in our Asia and Europe lists. The Falklands are included. CMD (talk) 12:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was looking in the wrong bit. Turkey actually spans two continents, whereas Trinidad and Tobago is recognised universally to be in North America (and it isn't on the Economic statistics table). Best, Matty.007 13:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

The Malvinas are not omitted, they are listed at the "Non-sovereign territories" section. They are not a country, and shouldn't be listed among real countries Cambalachero (talk) 14:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

No, I was wrong about the Falklands, I was talking about Trinidad and Tobago. Matty.007 14:45, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Caribbean areas and Panama have been added and removed to this page many times. It's easy to see why some users feel Trinidad and Tobago is in South America, with Trinidad looking almost connected to the Pario peninsula. CMD (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

By the article's own definition, the Caribbean Sea is in North America. Matty.007 15:04, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

If you mean this article, it mentions North America and the Caribbean Sea separately. At any rate, if we took all the waters of the Caribbean Sea and all the islands in those waters as North America, then many of Venezuela's and Colombia's coastal islands would be North American as well. Continents are defined by convention, and the conventions aren't based on any consistent logic. CMD (talk) 16:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

But if this article is following United Nations geoscheme for the Americas, as was stated earlier on this page, Trinidad and Tobago is in North America. Matty.007 16:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

The good old days, when these articles followed the UN geoscheme. But that would put Cyprus and Georgia in Asia! The horror. Or something. People have expressed horror to that effect. Anyway, I'm not objecting to the removal exactly, just saying a better reason is needed than it being on the North America page. CMD (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Are these pages actually based on anything, or just editor's views? Looking at them, and using them country wise, they are all subtly different, which makes life difficult. Matty.007 17:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

They used to be based on the UN geoscheme, I think, but that system is no longer in place. There's little consistency between each page at any rate. If you have the time and impetus, you're welcome (encouraged really) to be WP:Bold (keeping in mind WP:BRD). Looking at online sources, they seem to use North America for Trinidad and Tobago (not that any explain why), so there's definitely a case for removal. CMD (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, I was basing a 'List of currencies in Continent ' on the countries in the list, so will finish that before my next project. I will bear it in mind. Thanks, Matty.007 17:18, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Someone removed the reference?

The I reference was apparently intended for Trinidad and Tobago but was apparently removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.73.22.113 (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Dutch states

Hi, shouldn't the Dutch parts listed here be included? Thanks, Matty.007 13:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Or the countries removed from the box seems a better option. Matty.007 13:08, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

They used to be listed here. They get added back and then removed again every now and then in a cycle, along with Panama and Trinidad&Tobago. CMD (talk) 09:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

If this is based on the UN geoscheme it is correct. Thanks for the reply, best, Matty.007 10:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)