Talk:Outline of libertarianism

Rename to Outline of Libertarianism

There used to be a set of pages called "List of basic x topics" (where "x" was the subject name). They tended to grow beyond the scope of "basic", and so the set was renamed to outlines about three years ago.

The set can be found at Portal:Contents/Outlines, and has grown to around 500 subjects, listing tens of thousands of topics in a hierarchical format, making it a useful navigation system of both human knowledge and the encyclopedia.

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics was transformed into the Outline WikiProject in October of 2008. Basic topics list are no longer supported, while outlines are under continuous development.

Therefore, I'm moving this straggler to the set of outlines where it will get more attention, and be developed into a more refined overview of the subject. The Transhumanist 19:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Overhaul/expansion begun

I'm in the process of reworking the article. Any and all help is welcome and appreciated. The Transhumanist 19:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

POV fork needs speedy AfD/or merge/redirect to Libertarianism

Just discovered this. Just a way of avoiding what you don't like in Libertarianism. I'm encouraging speedy AfD for whole article, which would have been before if anyone had noticed it. Or we can just redirect it, which is easier, and I'll do hearing no dissent. CarolMooreDC (talk) 16:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI. We had this discussion on making this article a disambiguation page OR creating an overview article at Talk:Libertarianism which failed when brought to the larger community.

Specifically:

• This August 27, 2010 RfC rejecting just making it about Right wing libertarianism,
• This September 9, 2010 rejected Requested move to "Libertarianism (Forms of)".
• This September 9, 2010 rejected Requested move to "Libertarianism (Word)".
• This September 18 rejected proposal to revert to the 2005 version which does not include material on left libertarianism
• This rejected September 30, 2010 proposal to "remove all references to any ideology never referred to as just "libertarianism" without qualification in English WP:RS."

Redirection is probably the easiest until someone can convince the whole community it's needed. (Not likely.) But AfD will do as well. CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Support: Merge and if there are two sentences/ideas that are not already in the Libertarianism article - or removed from it for cause a while back - I'll be surprised. CarolMooreDC (talk) 20:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose, this page is part of the outline project, whose goal is to create outlines of knowledge. It's not an article and can't be merged with an article. Outlines are independent of the article system. Please read the project page. Yworo (talk) 22:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment: Outlines on Wikipedia are stand-alone lists. They can be described as subject outlines, structured topic lists, reverse outlines, and topic outlines (as opposed to sentence outlines). Some have evolved into classified glossaries. Outlines are a type of tree structure, and they serve different functions than prose articles. See Portal:Contents/Outlines, part of Wikipedia's content navigation system. Compare:

• Forestry and Outline of forestry
• Scientific method and Outline of scientific method
• Japan and Outline of Japan
• Cell biology and Outline of cell biology
• Buddhism and Outline of Buddhism

Merging the above pairs would do a disservice to Wikipedia's readers, and the same holds for Libertarianism and Outline of libertarianism, as this outline is under development and has the potential to be a comprehensive navigation aid to the subject and the subject's coverage on Wikipedia.

I hope my explanation has helped to shed light on outlines and their role on Wikipedia. The Transhumanist 09:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I was not aware of Outline Project and evidently only Yworo on libertarianism article page was. OK, that given, it really will be necessary to comport with the libertarianism article in your intro since you are just copying and old version whose very first assertion is not supported by the footnote - and I know cause I wrote it and later corrected it. Same for rest of your lead. CarolMooreDC (talk) 15:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Mirroring the main article's lead is fine. The lead is included for subject identification purposes, so the reader knows what subject the outline is presenting the structure of. Glad we could find a mutually agreeable solution. Cheers. The Transhumanist 04:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Changes to comport with Libertarianism

I made some. Put POV in Ideals section since don't feel like figuring out how to deal with the differences right now. Was easier to figure out in the new "debates" subsection. CarolMooreDC (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Ayn Rand isn't a libertarian.

She explicitly stated that she definitely wasn't a libertarian. She maintained that she was an Objectivist(implying that it's a political ideology all it's own.) However, they're both pretty similar. Should I remove it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.11.17 (talk) 19:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

"Rejects" as edit summary??

What are you trying to do. Please explain so I don't have to study everyone to see if it's vandalism, which is what that kind of edit summary sounds like. Thanks. CarolMooreDC 22:12, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Quick explanation of Wikipedia outlines

"Outline" is short for "hierarchical outline". There are two types of outlines: sentence outlines (like those you made in school to plan a paper), and topic outlines (like the topical synopses that professors hand out at the beginning of a college course). Outlines on Wikipedia are primarily topic outlines that serve 2 main purposes: they provide taxonomical classification of subjects showing what topics belong to a subject and how they are related to each other (via their placement in the tree structure), and as subject-based tables of contents linked to topics in the encyclopedia. The hierarchy is maintained through the use of heading levels and indented bullets. See Wikipedia:Outlines for a more in-depth explanation. The Transhumanist 00:07, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

"through"

• Coercion – the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats or intimidation or some other form of pressure or force

Ambiguous whether the parenthesis refers to "forcing" or "behave". How about something like "the practice of overriding another party's will by…"? —Tamfang (talk) 23:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)