Talk:List of hood films

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Hello @174.242.209.27:, please explain your mass edits and removal of content (incl. sourced content) and additions of unsourced content. Also read WP:DISRUPTIVE and WP:GF.Madbrad200 (talk) 10:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

174.242.209.27 (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.242.221.240 (talk)

• Lack of citations Espngeek (talk) 21:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

murda muzik

This was a movie that came out in 2004. It's a hood classic like all the other movies on this list, why was it removed? NeroFenix (talk) 13:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Is there a reliable source available that supports it being added? HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 04:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416056/ NeroFenix (talk) 12:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

IMDB is user-generated and not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia (see WP:RS). In addition, the source used must explicitly reference it as being a hood film. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipeida is user generated and is never considered a reliable source. That being said Murda Muzik is 100% considered a hood movie. It was written by one of the most prolific hip hop artists of the 90's and early 2000's, it took place in one of the most grimiest hood's in NYC, how can you not call it a hood movie. It hip hop personified at it's core, you obviously need an education in hip hop bro.... NeroFenix (talk) 14:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Which is why you're not allowed to source Wikipedia on Wikipedia. I'm not debating whether or not it's a hood movie, I'm saying it required a reliable source. If it is as widely known as you suggest then one probably exists somewhere. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 21:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

https://www.okayplayer.com/culture/best-hip-hop-movies-of-all-time.html/amp NeroFenix (talk) 02:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2023

Murda Muzik is a hood classic from 2004, it was written by one of the best mc’s in hip hop: prodigy. It is 100% a hood movie and should have never been removed from the list NeroFenix (talk) 02:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: No Wikipedia article. Lightoil (talk) 06:05, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2023

This is a list of hood films. These films focus on the culture and life of African American or Hispanic American, some cases, who live in segregated, low-income urban communities. This list also includes comparably deprived and crime-ridden communities in other countries such as the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100B:B13D:975E:2F1A:30BA:5E9F:D79E (talk) 08:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2023

Non-American hood films A Jamaican films of genre has been made, such as Shottas and Out the Gate. City of God and City of Men is a Brazilian films depicting life in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro. British films of this genre have also been made, such as Babylon, Rage, Bullet boy, Kidulthood, Adulthood and the parody Anuvahood. The French films La Haine, Ma 6-T va crack-er and Street Flow are also examples of this genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100B:B13E:4B35:1E6F:7310:79EA:F890 (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Shottas, City of God, City of Men, Bullet Boy, the -hood films, La Haine, Ma 6-T va crack-er, Street Flow are all listed in the article already. The rest need sources to back them up. It is also mentioned in the lede that hood films have been made outside the US. Is there something specific you wanted to change? HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 21:34, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

"hood"?

The normal slang word "hood" refers to a criminal (who might be wearing a hood).
The term used by this article abbreviates neighbo(u)rhood, and is therefore written 'hood.
Correct the spelling.
This is an encyclopedia, not some stupid dictionary of "urban" slang. 66.97.20.206 (talk) 22:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Stand and Deliver

Stand and Deliver should be on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1008:B03D:42BB:CC70:F3F0:CD5D:20F9 (talk) 03:44, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately the issue with most Hood films is they lack reliable sources describing them as such. If you can find one though, by all means.HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 17:29, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

What about West Side Story, Mean Streets, As Tears Go By, Ash is Purest White, etc., films I listed? Thoughts on those films? or are hood films to be strictly about Black or Hispanic experiences in the inner city? Movies about Asian or Asian American experiences in the inner city are perhaps better suited for the triad genre? 173.71.122.33 (talk) 15:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

So are "Hood films" only intended to center on Black and Hispanic Americans?

okay, i confess, I added a whole bunch of movies which I feel fit in as "hood films" including West Side Story, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, A Clockwork Orange, and a whole bunch of movies about inner city Asians and Asian American youth caught up in triad or criminal activity. Do those films not qualify as "Hood movies" b/c they don't feature Blacks or Hispanics as main characters?

Should hood movies center ONLY on Black and Hispanic Americans living in the inner city? While there are exceptions, e.g. 8 Mile, Four Brothers, it seems like hood movies are meant to be about inner city Blacks and Hispanics and capture their struggles rather than on other races such as Asians or Italians.

I guess movies that focus on white youth who commit juvenile delinquency would fall under "teensploitation" films, and movies that focus on Asian youth and criminal activity fall under the triad movie subgenre? And movies that center on inner city Irish or Italian Americans fall under the mobster/gangster genre?

Some films I think would otherwise qualify as "Hood movies" but for the race/ethnicity of the characters:

West Side Story (1961) (this one should definitely be included, it's often considered a precursor to the hood movie and it focuses on Puerto Rican youth)

A Clockwork Orange (1971) (juvenile delinquents)

Mean Streets (1973) (inner city Italians)

Taxi Driver (1976)

Thief (1981)

Once Upon a Time in America (1984)

Tenement (1985) (about a Hispanic gang that attacks tenants in a low-income apartment)

Year of the Dragon (1985) (Asian gangs)

China Girl (1987) (inner city Asian and Italian gangs)

As Tears Go By (1988) (about inner city Asian youth)

A Moment of Romance (1990)

Young and Dangerous (1996)

Bringing Out the Dead (1999)

The Corrupter (1999)

Summer of Sam (1999) (this one should DEFINITELY be included)

Gangs of New York (2002)

Infernal Affairs (2002)

Election (2005)

Shinjuku Incident (2009)

Revenge of the Green Dragon (2014) (about inner city Asian gangs)

Ash is Purest White (2018) (about inner city Chinese gangsters)

Admittedly, several of these films probably belong to the mobster/gangster or triad subgenre rather than hood movie. 173.71.122.33 (talk) 00:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Let's keep it simple: it's not our role to define what a 'hood film' is or isn't, but rather to rely upon reliable WP:RS sources. Unfortunately, this is a topic with a rather limited amount of sources to pull from, but such is life. There's actually quite a significant amount of hood films that just can't really be added due to a lack of sources. If you can find a source for these films, feel free to add. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 04:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

why is 'don't be a menace' not on this list? 96.253.93.152 (talk) 16:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Not sure. It does seem like this list is limited only to movies that center on the lives of Black and Hispanic Americans living in urban communities. That explains why all the movies I've listed were removed. 173.71.122.33 (talk) 02:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

sources

So, I see comments above and in edit summaries that entries need to be based on sources. That is certainly correct, but I can't help but notice that the vast majority of the article is unsourced or improperly sourced. If an independent reliable source has not explicitly said a particlar film is a "hood movie" it clearly should not be on the list. I'm concerned that this is list is mostly WP:OR. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

It was much worse, long ago. I had previously purged the list of a great number of entries and just... haven't got around to purging the rest. But I agree, that they should be removed in lieu of sources. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 03:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I was very puzzled by the source for The Harder They Come (the soundtrack to which is an absolute gem if you like raggae music even a little bit) because the source, while mentioning the movie in the headline, is in actuality a review of Hardcore (1979 film). So that was weird, and while the film's protagonist does move from the country to the slums of Kingston, I'm not at all sure anyone outside of this article would have ever thought of it as a "hood" film.

I'll be honest, my first impression was that we should probably not have this list at all, because it seemed so flawed, but after doing some digging it became clear that a decent number of the sources do in fact use the term in their descriptions of these films, and it certainly was an active genre in the 90's-2000s.

So that probably leaves us with codifying rules for inclusion, and maybe adding hidden comments/an edit notice/a FAQ section here on the talk page to combat bloating with unsourced examples. I'm not even sure we need to establish a consensus here, it seems pretty clear that policy already dictates that no entry should be listed if there is no source that explicitly describes it as a "hood film" or uses language basically identical to that. List of blaxploitation films is obviously adjacent to this list but -not quite- the same thing. I'll look the other way on the extremely dissapointing Poetic Justice (film), which, given who starred in it, should have been fantastic. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 09:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I am broadly supportive of this. I do think there's value in the list existing, but I spent a bit of time trying to source the list and found it rather difficult in the end, there's just not a lot of specific references to the genre despite the wide swathe of films that fall under it. For reference, from the main Hood film page, "Hood films have been variously described under a wide-array of names by critics, such as 'street-gang', 'ghetto-centric', 'action-crime-adventure', 'gangsta rap films', 'black action films', 'new black realism', 'new jack cinema', and 'black urban cinema'. Spike Lee disparagingly referred to the genre as 'hiphop, urban drama, ghetto film'"HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Why did you remove all the films I've included? If you've actually seen movies like As Tears Go By, A Bronx Tale, The Warriors, A Moment of Romance, etc., these films very much depict urban life! Are we to only include movies that depict Black and Brown people?

Hello, as discussed many times prior in edit reversions and here on this very talk page, you need to include WP:RS sources for any additions to the page. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)