Talk:British intelligence agencies

Requested move 27 June 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. EdJohnston (talk) 01:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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List of intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom → United Kingdom Intelligence Community – All other Wikipedia pages for other nation's intelligence community's are titled (country name) intelligence community, as is seen here United States Intelligence Community and in other examples. I have been unable to move it as "United Kingdom Intelligence Community" redirects to the uk section of the page List of intelligence agencies and I do not know how to fix this.the error message i revive when trying to make this change is

"You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason:

The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text." thank you for your help ThaBigCheese99 (talk) 23:40, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. No evidence that United Kingdom Intelligence Community is used to refer to UK agencies. (It is also not a proper noun.) The article is a list and so is accurately titled. Tassedethe (talk) 05:24, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

• Comment the USIC is a government agency that federates the various US agencies. Does the UK have a ministry that federates all the intelligence agencies? And why would such a ministry cover agencies that died out before it was created? Further, if there isn't such a ministry, why would you capitalize "Intelligence Community" instead of using "intelligence community" as clearly without there being a department or ministry it wouldn't be a proper noun. If there is such a department, it would need to be called UKIC explicitly, otherwise this would be the wrong name. Just because the USIC is named such does not mean that other countries use the same name, for instance The Fed is not used for other central banks in other countries. -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 05:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose no evidence provided that the proposed proper noun exists as a proper noun, unlike the US article which is an actual bureau/agency/department type entity. -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 05:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
• Comment The "UK Intelligence Community" is only the SIS, Security Service and GCHQ. These are described by the government as the "intelligence and security agencies" and the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament is responsible for oversight.[1] You could draft a new article about the "UK Intelligence Community" if you can conjure up enough information about the three agencies collectively. But the scope of this article is much wider, including government, police and military agencies. Rob984 (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not appropriate for this article, as discussed above. Most of the other articles with this name should probably be moved too. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

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Article title

@Rob984: and other editors, apologies for not discussing the article move in advance, seemed uncontroversial although there is more than one option. Do you agree with the move to the new title British intelligence agencies? Whizz40 (talk) 06:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I was about to propose the same move actually. An alternative is "Intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom", but I prefer "British intelligence agencies" given its more common, concise and natural sounding. Rob984 (talk) 14:12, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Logos

Five of the logos used on this article have been listed for discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 February 4, the proposal is to remove them from this article because "there is no critical commentary or contextual significance". Linking to the discussion from here in case editors here have a view. Does anyone know if it's correct that the files have UK Crown copyright?
File:Mi5 crest and logotype.svg
File:NationalCrimeAgency.svg
File:Secret Intelligence Service logo.svg
File:Government Communications Headquarters logo.svg
File:National Ballistics Intelligence Service logo.jpg. Whizz40 (talk) 09:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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ISC annual report

I just wanted to mention that the latest annual report of the ISC is much bigger than the previous one and so there may be information in it which could be added to this article: ISC annual report 2016-2017. Kookiethebird (talk) 23:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Personnel numbers

I don't know whether it would be worth at some point adding a small table giving personnel numbers for all these agencies, or alternatively adding another column to the existing table. But right now I don't know the numbers for all of them anyway. Kookiethebird (talk) 21:25, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Agency	Personnel
MI5	4,053
OSCT	551
NDEDIU
NCA	4,194
NBIS
NFIB
SIS	2,594
DI	3,655
GCHQ	5,806
JIO	58
NSS	151

Agree, this is relevant to add as prose or a table and can be done now for those which have sources. Whizz40 (talk) 13:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Single Intelligence Account

Propose merging Single Intelligence Account into a section of British intelligence agencies. Whizz40 (talk) 13:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, it would be better for it not to be a standalone article and this seems like a good place for the information to go. Kookiethebird (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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