Talk:List of largest mosques

Article creation

i have started this article b/c these type of info is really hard to come by on the web. so feel free to add more info and columns. thanks. Canadian (talk) 02:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Good job! Sharveet (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Kocatepe Mosque

Seems like Kocatepe Mosque in Ankara ought to be on this list since it's wikipedia page says it accommodates 24,000 worshippers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryankeithwiki (talk • contribs) 20:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually it was built as the modern version of Istanbul's Sultanahmet Mosque, with the same size, so it's stats physically can not deviate a few percent from that one. So they should be within a few ranks of each other.Nkt777 (talk) 09:19, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Al-Aqsa

For 1.2 billion Muslims, Jerusalem is in Palestine, not Israel. So let's keep the middle ground and mention both countries when referring to the location of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.152.28.230 (talk) 08:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes but there exists no state in the world called Palestine. In fact in this very list you will be redirected to a geographical region and not a country. The mosque can obviously not be located in something that does not exist. And for many Muslims, by the way, Jerusalem is in Israel, though it is irrelevant. Fipplet (talk) 12:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, it isn't in the internationally recognized borders of Islam as defined by the Israel article. It is in East Jerusalem. Clearly what people feel isn't important and we don't need to find a middle ground, but I think Palestinian territories without a flag might be the option. The only state that recognizes East Jerusalem as part of Israel is Israel... and that's only kind of legally true since it was the Knesset doing that symbolically talking about a unified Jerusalem as its capital. I think de jure the mosque is not currently in a state... just in the territories and could conceivably become part of a future Palestinian state or part of Israel. gren グレン 21:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Israel is not recognized by many countries. The legality is Israel as a state is still disputed. Canadian (talk) 01:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

To Canadian: I think 163 countries is "many countries", Israel is also a full member of the UN. The legality of Israel is defintely not disputed. To Grenavitar: First of all, I am pretty sure that the US recognizes East Jerusalem as part of Israel. Secondly, Jerusalem is in Israel, at least De facto, although that is not recognized by the UN. De jure maybe not if we follow the UN view. Israel annexed East Jerusalem and completely incorporated not just symbolically. --Fipplet (talk) 21:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay I understand, we have to fair to all parties. True Jerusalem has been under Israeli occupation since the 6 Day War, much like Western Sahara is occupied by Morocco. I think to be fair, we have to add claimed by the Palestinian Authority in parentheses. Canadian (talk) 20:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

But we do have to take into account the fact that many countries do not recognize the State of Israel, we have to be fair on all grounds. Canadian (talk) 20:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I can accept that. But it is unnecessary to have it in parentheses. A footnote should do.

Israel is a full member of the UN so we do not have to take inte account that a small minority does not recognize Israel. Fipplet (talk) 22:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

It's POV to have Israel and its flag in the box. We should just have Jerusalem, East Jerusalem or Old City of Jerusalem and in the footnote we could put "Under Israeli sovereignty, but claimed by the Palestinian Authority" or something along those lines. This is the only accurate and NPOV way. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

You could also just list both. Self-described Sophist (talk) 01:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

After looking at East Jerusalem and Palestinian National Authority I had come to the same conclusion as Al Ameer son. So I have updated the table to say that it is in East Jerusalem and in a footnote section that it is claimed by two groups with links to the relevent article sections so that the reader can then choose for themselves. Because there is no flag for EJ I removed all the flags, they are not really necessary, for consistency. At the same time I fixed the Capacity and Area listings so that it sorts correctly. The material that was there is now down in the footnotes section so nothing is lost. I also added a mapping section. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 17:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Istaqlal Mosque

No way is the Istaqlal Mosque larger than the King Hassan II Mosque, the Faisal Mosque or the Badshahi Mosque. The Istaqlal Mosque's Prayer Hall and Courtyard is smaller than the Faisal Mosque and the King Hassan II Mosque. Though its Prayer Hall is larger than Badshahi Mosque, but it's courtyard is less than half that of the Badshahi Mosque. 119.152.63.125 (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Faisal Mosque

The Main Prayer Hall capacity of Faisal Mosque is 30,000 not 10,000. 10,000 is the prayer hall capacity of the Badshahi Mosque and the Faisal Mosque's Main Prayer hall is 3 times larger than that of Badshahi Mosque. Faisal Mosque's courtyard capacity is around 70-75,000. 119.152.63.125 (talk) 14:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Only Mosques, no Shrines please

This is a list for dedicated mosques only and not shrines or mosques attached to shrines. Otherwise, the Taj Mahal will also have to be included because it has a mosque in its compound as well. Please make a separate page for Shrines or Mosque Shrines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.167.57.132 (talk) 09:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

If that was the case then please remove Masjid al-Haram and Masjid al-Nabawi. Masjid al-Haram has a shrine with many prophets buried there (the semi-circle like structure next to the Ka‘bah - Hajr Ismā‘īl). And last I checked, Masjid al-Nabawi had quite a big shrine right at the front of the mosque, with the Prophet himself buried there - Imam Ridha Mosque was built much in the same manner. The shrine is in the middle of the complex, and the area it occupies isn't even a percent of the total area, and the majority of the remaining space is taken up by vast prayer halls separated by courtyards - all of which are used for daily congregational prayers. Imam Ridha Mosque in its entirety is a place of worship - it doesn't have a mosque, it is a mosque. ~ Toushiro 「 話 」 18:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Area, capacity, outbuildings, parking lots, and bragging rights

The article says "This is a list of the largest mosques ranked based on a combination of area and capacity to accommodate worshippers". As it stands at the moment, the ranking seems to be entirely capacity based although most of them lead in both so it isn't in issue. However the combination bit is confusint since it's not defined. How do you combine the two value? You can of course sort them by area but the rank won't change in any case, the ranking as it stands should be what we mention otherwise we should say "location" or "year". If the capacity is the same we need to rank them in some other way or put them both the same rank, but that's still not what most people would think by combination I think. It will be better to say ranked by capacity first and area second or something. Also, am I right that this list is far from complete? Sultan Salahuddin Abdul Aziz Mosque is claimed to either have a capacity of 16k or 24k and some pages claim it is the largest in Malaysia and possible the second largest in SEA. (I haven't added it myself due to the confusion over the ranking system and also the conflicting info on capacity.) It would seem easily possible to me that a number of the countries listed have a number of mosques larger then the 5k of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. E.g. this page claims the Putra Mosque has a capacity of 15k [1] and although I've never been to it, from what I've heard and know this wouldn't surprise me, although I doubt it ever gets close to that many in real use at the current time. Nil Einne (talk) 14:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There appears to be no constant criteria for what to include in the area calculation. Foot print of the prayer hall? Yes. Including the the minarets? Sure. Integrated courtyards? OK. Ablution areas? Absolutely. Expanded prayer area outside the immediate walls of the mosque? Maybe. Attached or closely associated meeting facilities? Not so sure. Administrative buildings? Humm. Parking lot? I think not. Kitchens. Uh..... er.... Integrated commercial space? Maybe not. Integrated hospital or bookstore? I think not.

Lacking decisive, definitive criteria, the ranking system is massively subjective and arbitrary. Without such, the article may warrant deletion. 'Wooooaa- not so fast, I find the article useful'. Well, a consensus on criteria is need then. It seems to me that the ultimately defining feature of a mosque is the number of worshipers that may attend the call to prayer- regardless of auxiliary facilities- be they water slides, grave yards, or civic in nature. To complicate matters, capacity claims vary from 820,000 to a mere 5,000- large? Maybe. By contrast? Not at all. Mavigogun (talk) 05:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

This is not even a proper ranking, because the ranking criterion is not clear. It can't be area because many entries in the list don't have that info. If it is capacity, then what sort of capacity, indoor or outdoor. Clearly some mosques list indoor capacity, some list outdoor, and some list both. For example: Pakistan's Masjid-e-Aqsa is listed with 3700m2 area and a capacity of 18500, while London's Baitul Futuh is supposed to have 21000m2 area and 10000 capacity. So Pakistanis pray in an area of 0.2 m2 (possible if it has multiple storeys) while Londoners pray in 2.1 m2 ? I think indoor capacity and outdoor capacity must be separate columns. Same with area. Then just like the list of largest churches, it can be ranked with a consistent criterion (which I think should be indoor capacity or area). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nkt777 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Solicitations for developing assessment criteria for determining relative size met with no response. Consequently, the page name has been changed to remove this subjective element; an alternative would have been to nominate the page for deletion.

Mosalla Tehran , Iran

Largest mosque in the world (with 230 meters high minarets) still under construction. Iranian/Persian architecture of mosques/shrines is famous for their influence on 'Islamic architecture'.

Can someone please upload some info and pictures of Mosalla on Largest mosques in world wikipage, and also on the Iranian mosques wikipage.Thanks, the follow excerpt is from the link provided.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=704704&page=2

"Claims of the biggest in the world are always difficult to verify, but Shariatmadari offers some comparisons. Tehran's Grand Mosala sits on a 650,000 square-metre site, 450,000 of which will be a covered area when completed. Neither of the famous Saudi Arabian mosques in Medina and Mecca, the holiest sites in Islam, are more than 400,000 square metres. Medina's covered space is only 100,000 square metres.

``Building mosques has become a fashion in the Muslim world, Shariatmadari says, pointing to newly built mosques in Oman and Morocco, whose grand mosque reportedly cost more than $1 billion. And none of those come close to the Grand Mosala's size, either, he adds.

The Grand Mosala is the creation of architect Parvis Mo-ayed Ahd, 80, who divides his time between Paris and Tehran.

Construction began six years ago. Only 25 per cent of the complex is completed, but 80,000 cubic metres of concrete have been poured, and 30,000 tonnes of steel used so far.

One of its prayer halls spans 50,000 square metres, with ceilings 14 metres high. The mosque's dome will be 57 metres in diameter and will be crowned by a stylized arch spanning 130 metres.

``The arch is a big headache for us. We are on an earthquake zone . . . so it needs a very special design to make sure it will not collapse for 400 years, Shariatmadari says"

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=704704&page=2

Ditc (talk) 15:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)ditc

Al-Aqsa Mosque Third Holiest??

The following is an excerpt from Imam Ali Shrine article. I understand it is Shia and not Sunni belief, however should the word of the House Members be stronger and more creditable then the speculated statement "..it is strongly believed that Al-Aqsa is the third holiest site in.."

Imam Reza's shrine receives more worshipers (12-15 million yearly) then Al-Aqsa mosque.

The Imām ‘Alī Mosque has been noted as the third holiest site for some of the estimated 200 million followers of the Shī‘ah branch of Islām worldwide – approximately 15 percent of total Muslims. It is estimated that only Karbalā, Makkah and Madīnah receive more Muslim pilgrims.

Asia Times Online reports about Qom being the second holiest city in Iran. In an attempt to impress the importance of the Hazrat-e Masumeh shrine located in Qom, the article quotes the following famous hadith:

   [O]ur sixth imam, Imām Ja‘far as-Sādiq, says that we have five definitive holy places that we respect very much. The first is Makkah, which belongs to God. The second is Madīnah, which belongs to the Holy Prophet Muhammad, the messenger of God. The third belongs to our first Imām of Shia, ‘Alī, which is in Najaf. The fourth belongs to our third Imām, Husayn, in Karbalā. The last one belongs to the daughter of our seventh Imām and sister of our eighth Imām, who is called Fātimah, and will be buried in Qom. Pilgrims and those who visit her holy shrine, I promise to these men and women that God will open all the doors of Heaven to them.[2]

The Cultural Heritage Photo Agency based in Iran states: “The world's 120 million Shias regard Najaf - a center of scientific, literary and theological studies - as their third holiest site, behind Mecca and Medina”.[3] Modarresi News calls it: "The place was the burial site of Islam’s second most important figure and third holiest shrine".[4]

Ditc (talk) 15:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)ditc

That part was recently added in by some anon IP's.. information like that belongs @ Holiest sites in Islam ~ Toushiro 「 話 」 02:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Imam Reza Mosque

This page needs much editing because there are many mosques listed here that are much smaller than the Imam Ridha Mosque in Iran, Mashhad. The Ridha mosque "covers an area of 267,079m2 while the seven courtyards which surround it cover an area of 331,578m2 - totaling 598,657 m2 (6,443,890 sq ft)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Im%C4%81m_Ridh%C4%81_Mosque

This was listed previously but someone removed it, perhaps because of their bias towards Iran or Shiism. Please correct and add this to the list!

Re Request

I posted this a while ago...

Can someone please upload some info and pictures of Mosalla on Largest mosques in world wikipage, and also on the Iranian mosques wikipage.Thanks, the follow excerpt is from the link provided.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=704704&page=2

"Claims of the biggest in the world are always difficult to verify, but Shariatmadari offers some comparisons. Tehran's Grand Mosala sits on a 650,000 square-metre site, 450,000 of which will be a covered area when completed. Neither of the famous Saudi Arabian mosques in Medina and Mecca, the holiest sites in Islam, are more than 400,000 square metres. Medina's covered space is only 100,000 square metres.

``Building mosques has become a fashion in the Muslim world, Shariatmadari says, pointing to newly built mosques in Oman and Morocco, whose grand mosque reportedly cost more than $1 billion. And none of those come close to the Grand Mosala's size, either, he adds.

The Grand Mosala is the creation of architect Parvis Mo-ayed Ahd, 80, who divides his time between Paris and Tehran.

Construction began six years ago. Only 25 per cent of the complex is completed, but 80,000 cubic metres of concrete have been poured, and 30,000 tonnes of steel used so far.

One of its prayer halls spans 50,000 square metres, with ceilings 14 metres high. The mosque's dome will be 57 metres in diameter and will be crowned by a stylized arch spanning 130 metres.

``The arch is a big headache for us. We are on an earthquake zone . . . so it needs a very special design to make sure it will not collapse for 400 years, Shariatmadari says"

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=704704&page=2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.208 (talk) 09:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Missing Saleh Mosque

The Saleh Mosque in Sanaa, Yemen reportedly handles up to 44,000 worshippers - which would place it ahead of the Sheikh Zayed Mosque (I've been in both - and I'm thinking the Sanaa mosque is NOT as big as the Sheikh Zayed mosque - although it is both significant in size, and beautiful). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.196.241 (talk) 06:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Changed Back To Israel

In terms of International legality, there is no Palestine and Israel has full De Jure control over the area. Even the Palestinian Authority doesn't have control over Al-Aqsa, so it's foolish to blatantly act like 'Palestine' has legal control of it. I'm not saying whether it is right for Israel to control Al-Aqsa or whether it is wrong, I'm just following International Law on this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.250.4 (talk) 06:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Hagia Sophia

Somebody add Hagia Sophia to the list please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsyncie (talk • contribs) 21:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The Hagia Sophia is no longer a mosque; it was built to function as a church, cannibalized to serve as a mosque, and now functions as a museum. One might argue that it is the form not function that best dictates the label used; given its current state, museum is accurate.Mavigogun (talk) 03:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Iranian Mosques

Surely there are mosques in Mashad, Iran or even Tehran that fit the criteria to be on here other than the one that is still in construction. (Kaveh94 (talk) 02:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC))

Surely you can cite valid references and add them. This isn't a restaurant- you have to get up and get it yourself.Mavigogun (talk) 04:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 109.158.47.255, 31 December 2010

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Baitul Futuh 10,000
Baitul Futuh 4,000
Reference http://www.baitulfutuh.org/construction/index.shtml which states "Site Particulars Prayer Capacities * Total Area of Mosque 4000" Also see http://www.muslimsinbritain.org/resources/masjid_report.pdf section "2.6 Britain's Biggest Mosques" which places Baitul Futuh 30th in Britain and explains why.

109.158.47.255 (talk) 21:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

the total 'mosque complex' area is 10,500 according to the first reference. This is supported by the following ref given on its main page 1 which states that it is the largest mosque in Western EU (as of its opening). The second reference though a potentially good source of mosque statistics in the UK seems to me particularly bias against the Baitul Futuh mosque. Firstly while displaying the result they have listed Baitul Futuh as a non Muslim mosque - bringing a personal belief on to the findings - hence the potential for unreliability. Secondly, though a highly inaccurate method, it is evident from image searches of the mosques that how could some of the mosques that look way smaller than Baitul Futuh end up having capacity equal to or greater than Baitul Futuh. Thirdly even when compared to the Gamkol mosque, apparently listed as the largest mosque in the uk, the ground area covered up by the Baitul Futuh is according to my search is 2-3 times larger. Peaceworld111 (talk) 23:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I've closed this request following Peaceworld111's response, but the original poster (or anyone else) is welcome to continue discussion. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 12:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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Request to increase the minimum capacity from 5000 to 50000 or even more.

5000 is relatively too small for a mosque. In article list of mosques in Indonesia, there are 10 mosques already whose capacity exceed 10000, let alone the 5000 mosques, and most of these mosques are not even notable in Indonesia, especially the below 10000s.--Rochelimit (talk) 06:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Article needs serious cleaning up.The list seems neither to be according to alphabetical order or according to size. sunny.......... 20:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

Sunnyji 2k The table is already sortable using the arrows at the top of the columns. Bazj (talk) 10:26, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Add Turkey's New Mosque : Çamlıca Mosque

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87aml%C4%B1ca_Republic_Mosque it can hold 63,000 people

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Grand Jamia Mosque

Grand Jamia Mosque, Karachi was dropped from the list as it is still under construction and is not fully built yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor.Eqbal (talk • contribs) 19:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Remove Images?

I recommend removing the mosques’ images from the list. They increase the page size and make it harder for devices to bear the load while editing, particularly, visual editing. The list grows day by day and the whole page starts getting cluttered. Other similar lists on Wikipedia, even those having fewer entries, also don’t use any images. Idell (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Increasing minimum capacity to 15,000

Considering the ever growing size of this list, I shall be increasing the minimum capacity for mosques to be listed here from 10,000 worshippers to 15,000 worshippers. All those with capacities of less than 15,000 shall be removed from this article. Idell (talk) 14:12, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Idell: I don't believe that the list length is an issue yet. If the continued additions make its size unwieldy, then maybe such an action may be appropriate. For now, I recommend leaving it as it is.
Alivardi (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

10,000 is such a small number that there are barely any reliable sources to support the claims. And as an earlier discussion here suggests, many of such mosques are not even notable and as such are not included here. Idell (talk) 06:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@Idell: My apologies for the late reply. If that's the case, I'd be inclined to agree with your proposed edit. But could you clarify first what you mean by many such mosques not being notable? Do they not tend to have articles here? Because if they don't, it definitely would be best to restrict the minimum capacity.
Alivardi (talk) 18:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Alivardi: It’s alright. There are such mosques that have Wikipedia articles but are not very well known, as a previous discussion here suggests; and yes, there also are those that don’t have articles here. Idell (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Idell: In that case, I'll take back my opposition to your proposed edit.
Alivardi (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

What's the point of native language names?

This is English language Wikipedia and what's the point of writing the native language names? It makes the list clotted, and some users always forget to write one when they add new entries. By the way, some Indonesian entries have Javanese, Sundanese or Jawi characters written under them, but these are all obsolete characters that rarely being used in the daily lives of Indonesian people.

I suggest removing the native language names and I'll gladly do it if there's no objection. JahlilMA (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Architectural styles are completely subjective

Also, I really hate the "architectural style" section, its completely subjective, like what are the differences between the "contemporary Islamic" and "Islamic" styles? What are the differences between "contemporary" and "modern" styles? All the entries do not have any sources attached to them.

This is a list of largest mosques and the architectural style is irrelevant.

I suggest removing the architectural style section and I'll do it if there's no objection. JahlilMA (talk) 19:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

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Grand Jamia Mosque, Karachi wrong picture

The picture of the Grand Jamia Mosque in Karachi is wrong - it depicts the Sheikh Zayed Mosque in Abu Dhabi. The Bahria Town Mosque looks quite different and is currently under construction. Please change the pictures. 2003:C2:4734:A4CA:C49C:2F8E:72AF:A940 (talk) 17:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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Jakarta Islamic Center fire

Should the list mention the destruction of the mosque at Jakarta Islamic Center on 19 October 2022? Renerpho (talk) 04:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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Disputed

Hi @DMacks: If Al-Aqsa Mosque's country is disputed, shouldn't Jamia Masjid, Srinagar's country be also listed as disputed? HolyArtThou (talk) 18:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Some may or may not like it, but but the Jammu and Kashmir (union territory) article explicitly says that India is the "Administering state", consistent with the specific governing bodies and the definition of a union territory. And regardless of whether it is India, Pakistan, both, disputed, or anything else, it is a separate issue from the Status of Jerusalem. DMacks (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Largest Mosque in Western: Mosque of Rome near Vatican

At 30.000sqm is one of the largest mosque even by Middle East standard. It shows Catholic has no problem with Islam. As for the other way around just ask yourself. The land was provided free by the Pope. Existing URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_of_Rome Supeskrim (talk) 17:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)