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Sobhuza II

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So there was a discussion about whether Hassanal Bolkiah should be included in the sovereign states section, since his country was a British protectorate until 1984. People argue that based on that, he wouldn't qualify to be listed in that section until 2039. Fair enough, but there's another monarch that has a similar issue, but in reverse. The dependent or constituent states section lists Sobhuza II's entire 82 year reign at the top of the list. However, as pointed out in the entry itself, his country ceased to be a British protectorate in 1968, which means the last 14 years of his reign were of a sovereign country. So by the previous logic, should only the first 68 years of his reign be considered for the dependent monarch section, which would bump him considerably down the list? The closest thing it says on the matter is that the list contains monarchs who were "not internationally sovereign for most of their reign", but even then "most" could be interpreted to mean anything from "more than half of their reign" to "almost all of their reign". 2601:249:9301:D570:B52E:5F5A:4889:7D69 (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Clean-Up

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Latest comment: 4 months ago3 comments3 people in discussion

It has previously been seen that the first list had monarchs moved to the third list due to a lack of verifiable dates and and as such i think the same should happen with the second list. user:Yourlocallordandsavior. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

But the monarchs in the second list all have exact dates listed. Are you more saying these dates are incorrect? Ttutcha (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I actually think it's more of that we need verifiable sources for their dates instead of just random dates from unreliable and blacklisted sources such as Royalark and Indianrajputs. Infact Muhammad II of Kedah was removed from the first list because no reliable source could be found for his exact dates and all. S302921 (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

DO NOT INSERT Hassanal Bolkiah into independent ruler list until 2040

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Brunei did not become an independent state until 1984. He therefore should not be on the list until 2040. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

In a similar vein, how should Sobhuza II's reign be handled, since the last 14 years of his reign were of an independent country, yet his entire 83 year reign is listed in the non-sovereign section. Should it only include up to 1968 there? 2601:249:9301:D570:A58F:3494:CAD4:696F (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
From my interpretation, I would just combine the non-sovereign and sovereign reigns together and label it as non-sovereign. Just write it down that non-sovereign's the default and that if it exceeds 56 years of Conrad, then it belongs on both lists. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Personally, it seems inconsistent to combine sovereign and non-sovereign for one of the affected individuals, but not the other. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Who would be next?

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I did a brief search to find out who the next monarchs on the first list would be. If you know of any other monarch with a longer reign than those mentioned, you can add him.


No. Portrait Name State Reign Duration Ref.
From To (days) (years, days)
26   Alfonso VIII   Castile 31 August 1158 5 October 1214 20,489 56 years, 35 days [1]
27   Henry III   England 19 October 1216 16 November 1272 20,482 56 years, 28 days [2]
28   Lý Nhân Tông Đại Việt 3 February 1072 15 January 1128 20,434 55 years, 346 days [3]
29   Rainier III   Monaco 9 May 1949 6 April 2005 20,421 55 years, 332 days [4]
30   Victor Amadeus II   Savoy 12 June 1675 3 September 1730 20,171 55 years, 83 days [5]
31   Moulay Ismail Ibn Sharif   Morocco 14 April 1672 22 March 1727 20,064 54 years, 342 days [6]
32 Renzong Western Xia (China) 1 July 1139 16 October 1193 19,831 54 years, 107 days [7]
33   Han Wudi Han Dynasty (China) 7 March 141 BC 29 March 87 BC 19,745 54 years, 22 days [8]
34   Thutmose III Egypt 28 April 1479 BC 11 March 1425 BC 19,675 53 years, 317 days [9]
35   Frederick III   Holy Roman Empire 2 February 1440 19 August 1493 19,557 53 years, 198 days [10][11]
36   Cosimo III   Tuscany 23 May 1670 31 October 1723 19,518 53 years, 161 days [12]
37   John II   Navarre 8 September 1425 20 January 1479 19,492 53 years, 134 days [13]
38 Chongzong Western Xia (China) 11 September 1086 1 July 1139 18,199 52 years, 303 days [14]
39   Eric III   Norway 8 September 1389 4 June 1442 19,261 52 years, 269 days [15]
40   Frederick I   Sicily 17 May 1198 13 December 1250 19,203 52 years, 210 days [16]
41   Margrethe II   Denmark 14 January 1972 14 January 2024 18,993 52 years, 0 days [17]
42   Tahmasp I   Persia 23 May 1524 14 May 1576 18,984 51 years, 357 days [18]
43   Casimir   Lithuania 29 June 1440 7 June 1492 18,971 51 years, 344 days [19]
44   Haakon VII   Norway 18 November 1905 21 September 1957 18,935 51 years, 307 days [20]
45   Ibn Saud
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  Saudi Arabia
(1932–1953) 		13 January 1902 9 November 1953 18,928 51 years, 300 days [21]
46   Jogaila   Lithuania 3 October 1382 1 June 1434 18,868 51 years, 241 days [22]
47 Abdullah I   Kuwait 5 September 1762 3 May 1814 18,867 51 years, 240 days [23]
48   Said bin Sultan   Oman 20 November 1804 4 June 1856 18,824 51 years, 197 days [24]
49   Yeongjo   Joseon (Korea) 26 October 1724 22 April 1776 18,806 51 years, 179 days [25]
50   Henry IV   Holy Roman Empire 17 July 1054 31 December 1105 18,794 51 years, 167 days [26]

Historygeographyknowledge (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Amazing although what about Thutmose III and Nguyễn Hoàng. Also weren't Savoy and Tuscany apart of the Holy Roman Empire. S302921 (talk) 07:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the comment. I will add Thutmose III. As for Nguyễn Hoàng, it appears that he was a feudal lord within the Lê Dynasty.
Italian states ceased to be part of the HRE at the Peace of Westphalia, in 1648. But thank you for Thutmose III.There are many Egyptian pharaohs, have I missed more? 177.91.168.2 (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also that about the subjects of photos i found photos for a couple monarchs online. I'm not sure if these are alk fulky reliable sources but still then.
Karansinhji II Vajirajji : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/lakhtar-Thakore-Sahib-KARANSINHJI-VAJIRAJJI-C-S-I-Thakore-Sahib-of-Lakhtar-1846-1924--1.jpg
Ram Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_bundi-HH-Maharao-Raja-Ram-Singh-Ji-Bahadur-1.jpg
Wakhat Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_lunawada-His-Highness-Maharaja-Shri-VAKHAT-SINHJI-K-C-I-E-22nd-Maharana-of-Lunawada-1867-1929-1.jpg
Nahar Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/shahpura_state-Rajadhiraj-Nahar-Singh-1.png S302921 (talk) 09:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not experienced at uploading photos and wasn't sure about the source but these could still possibly be used here. S302921 (talk) 09:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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