Talk:List of nitrogen-fixing-clade families

Notes

• Some of the text is my translation from Lotte Burkhardt's copyleft book, in pdf form at https://www.bgbm.org/en/bgbm-press/index-eponymic-plant-names-extended-edition.
• In the list in the glossary section, the definitions are snippets from our glossary of botanical terms. (Check the history of that page for attribution.) I'm only using snippets that are supported by the glossary in Plants of the World (see the citation). - Dank (push to talk) 13:46, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Before removing four of the orders per the FLC, the image license counts were: 41 are "own work" (including public domain), 11 are Flickrbot, 3 are public domain botanical illustrations, 2 are additional public domain images. 2 are from iNaturalist, 1 from telebotanica.org, 1 from gardenology.org, and 3 from laval university. I've done the alt text. Johnboddie selected the images from Commons and put them in his sandbox, as usual. - Dank (push to talk) 03:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
• Malpighiales is handled in a separate table, with less data and no images, because some readers have problems with images not loading when the tables are longer than these, or when there are too many images. A hatnote directs readers to a gallery of images for almost all the families at Malpighiales. - Dank (push to talk) 02:01, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
• Someone's going to ask at some point why the sidebar (just under the first image) refers to this page as "Other fabids", but the page title is "List of nitrogen-fixing-clade families". It's a bit technical, but the answer is at Talk:APG IV system#Nitrogen-fixing clade. APG IV apparently didn't want to raise "nitrogen-fixing-clade" to the level of a "named clade" ... but they divided up the fabids into the COM clade, the order Zygophyllales, and ... an unnamed clade (which is generally called the "nitrogen-fixing clade"). I'm trying to be very precise with the sidebar ... I'm linking "Early-diverging flowering plants" and (for instance) "lilioids" before I mention "APG IV" because I don't want anyone to get the impression that those are terms used by APG IV ... "early-diverging" is a common term but it's not remotely "official". Likewise, the sidebar says "other fabids", because APG IV supports the term "fabids". But no one here would be happy with a "List of other fabid families", so I have to call the clade by its common name in this list. - Dank (push to talk) 16:37, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

For the purposes of this list, "nitrogen-fixing clade" is a better title than "other fabids". Plantdrew (talk) 18:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@Plantdrew: Thanks. I just realized that I need to be thinking of Featured Topic requirements ... reviewers there might require a match between the sidebar and the page title, so I probably need to go with nitrogen-fixing clade for both. - Dank (push to talk) 00:28, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

• There are two competing trends on (this) Wikipedia for sourcing: some prefer more (for clarity and coverage) and some prefer fewer (I'm not sure why, though I've got some ideas). This list hasn't been promoted at WP:FLC yet, and yesterday it got added to the source reviewing section of the backlog page. Let's try this: today I'm removing some of the cites to the Kubitzki works, and changing some of the page numbers to reduce the total number of authors. That may or may not help. - Dank (push to talk) 20:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)