Talk:List of pies, tarts and flans

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1. apple crumble - apple & sugar underneath, usually bramley. and flour & margerine top. This is not the same as apple crisp.
2. apple sponge - apple & sugar underneath, usually bramley. sponge top
3. cheese n onion pie - cheese & onion filing in closed pastry pie. Popular in England, and I've no idea where else

Tabby (talk) 05:51, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I removed apple crumble. Apple sponge is a pudding. I added Cheese n onion, and removed the missing Bumbleberry Pie image mentioned in the thread above. I may start Bumbleberry Pie and cheese and onion pies. Now, we just need images for them. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Good to hear that you have removed apple crumble. Apple crumble is definitely not a pie - it is not the same thing as apple pie. Indeed, it is made in a different way, and the crumble on it is not, strictly speaking, pastry. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

In fact, if you type "Apple crumble" into the box on the left, you get redirected to the Wikipedia article Crumble; you do not get redirected to Apple pie. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Edited, added pictures and filled in the table for entries A through J. Removed entries that didn't have Wikipedia articles to link to, as well as entries for various pies under various brand names (Frisbie Pie Co., Holland's Pies, Mrs. Mac's Pies, Clark's Pies, Four'N Twenty Pies). They may be culturally important enough to have Wikipedia articles but they are essentially all selling meat and/or fruit pies and not a unique pie that warrants a mention on this list. Markmark28 (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Woefully incomplete list. Multiple entries reference cottage pie as a point of comparison but it has no entry of its own. None of the classic French tarts are present despite being vastly and internationally popular (tarte tatin, au citron, au chocolat, etc.). Multiple entries list two or more places of origin, in flagrant contradiction of the definition of "origin". Melton Mowbray Pork Pie should be merged with Pork Pie as it's merely a more specific form of the same dish. Multiple misattributions of place of origin to United States despite origins predating the country's existence by hundreds, if not thousands, of years. All of the berry pies may as well be rolled into one entry: is there really a significant enough difference of cultural, historical, and culinary relevance to justify separate entries for boisonberry, blueberry, blackberry, raspberry, etc pies rather than just one umbrella "fruit pie" entry? Flan Chino seems to refer to the set egg custard dessert rather than the pastry tart usage of the word "flan" so likely does not belong on this list. The only other entry for any sort of flan is for the generic term, which seems to be synonymous with "tart", thus raising the question of why it's even included in the title of the article rather than being a brief aside in the introduction. Not having a list at all may actually be preferable to such an incomplete and inaccurate one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.125.193.63 (talk) 23:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Shire Foods' products

Shire Foods is listed, but it's a company. Is there a pie under the name? And what is EBLEX certified, as mentioned in the Shire article? Are either of these even notable articles? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Pizza "pie"

Anyone else think that pizza doesn't really fit into this list? It's essentially only a pie in "name" due to it's shape and wedge-shaped slices. Any other opinions? Should pizza pie be removed? Markmark28 (talk) 07:46, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree - a ia pizza is not a pie. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Suggested new name for the article

I have a suggestion for a new name for this article - List of pies, tarts, flans and pasties. That way, it would be possible to add the Cornish pasty to the list. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Let us add a custard pie to the list

This table includes that custard tart but not the custard pie. I think that some one should add this to the list, as it is different to an egg custard tart - I just hope that the popular use of this form of pie as a subject for humour will not make any laugh too much to include this pie! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:43, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Origin of blackberry, cherry, rhubarb

AIUI these are all classic British pies dating back to the beginning of pastry. So I wonder what basis there is for the claim they're of US origin. Tabby (talk) 12:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I feel that it is very difficult to pin down the origin of any generic fruit pie unless that fruit is endemic to a specific country or region. Unless there is a source describing the origins of the pie there should not be a guess about where the pie originated. Due to this, I am adding citation needed tags to all origin entries without a source. 90.209.237.238 (talk) 22:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Be sure to check the linked articles. Entries on lists don't need to be supported by citations so long as the content is backed up by the linked article. In the cases where the linked article doesn't corroborate the origin indicated on this list, I think it can just be left blank, as you're suggesting. Ibadibam (talk) 23:15, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Ridiculous Entries

"Red velvet cake pie?" "Red velvet cheesecake pie?" COME ON. This should be a list of the most common pies (and IMHO ALL the fruit pies, cream pies etc. could be combined into their various genres), but of course Wikipedia goes nutso as usual and starts listing every potential flavor combination. There is absolutely no usefulness (nor is it at all possible) to include every flavor of every pie, and when people start adding highly unusual or virtually unheard of flavors, the point of the article becomes moot. Edit please. 2601:140:8301:4B70:64A9:57C9:90E2:6BC8 (talk) 21:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is written by people like you. If you see a mistake, I encourage you to be bold and correct it! Just please remember, before you click save page, to leave an edit summary that succinctly explains why you made the changes (for example, "removing non-notable entries"). Happy editing! Ibadibam (talk) 22:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Fake entry?

I was curious about the "Minui pie" referenced as a pie made from the minui fruit, which blossoms every five years in Tibet. I scoured the internet and found no references to the fruit, and all the references to the pie used identical wording to the listing here. Is that enough evidence to delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.229.250 (talk) 14:27, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Removed Good catch. Ibadibam (talk) 21:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 18 April 2018

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List of pies, tarts and flans → List of pies, tarts, and flans – An Oxford or serial comma before the "and" is preferred. The move was attempted by Bobherry, but then it has been reverted by Andrew Davidson with "redundant comma" for the reason, which I think is incorrect. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• "An Oxford or serial comma before the 'and' is preferred." Why? MOS:OXFORD does not express a preference. —  AjaxSmack  01:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support - adding a comma is the simplest solution given at MOS:OXFORD. -- Netoholic @ 04:22, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose MOS:OXFORD states "Editors may use either convention" while WP:TITLECHANGES states "If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed." We should therefore stick with the original title, without the superfluous comma. Andrew D. (talk) 06:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

But there is good reason to change it- the current title could be read to imply that flans and tarts are a subset of pies. -- Netoholic @ 19:30, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

How do you get that? Are you suggesting that a phrase like "vegetables, cucumbers and onions" would mean "vegetables ⊇ cucumbers and onions" or "vegetables and their subset cucumbers and onions"? Doesn't seem idiomatic to me. You would have to say "vegetables, including cucumbers and onions" or "pies, including tarts and flans". —  AjaxSmack  20:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, to extend your example, imagine we had a "List of vegetables, cucumbers and onion" article, it might imply that a larger List of vegetables was broken up into a series which might include "List of vegetables, lettuce and leafy greens" and "List of vegetables, potatoes and turnips". In this case, the current title might be read in the same way, implying perhaps a "List of pies, fruit" and "List of pies, nut". Adding the comma makes clear that tarts and flans are presented in addition to pies rather than being a subset of pies. -- Netoholic @ 21:16, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

But tarts and flans are not a subset of pies and so that speculation is counter-factual. When we have actually have a list title which contains a sub-title indicating a subset then we punctuate this with a colon per MOS:COLON; for example, List of minor planets: 2001–3000. Commas are not used for this. My !vote stands. Andrew D. (talk) 21:49, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and I have to credit your imagination. —  AjaxSmack  01:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per Andrew D. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support MOS:OXFORD Bobherry Talk Edits 13:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support the Oxford comma for greater clarity. ╠╣uw [talk] 00:07, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:TITLECHANGES. I'm not even sure what problem this is supposed to solve. —  AjaxSmack  01:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - As far as I know commas don't come before "and" as the comma would act as an "and? ?, Well I've stuck to that rule all my life and I've survived!, But anyway per above, Andrew and TITLECHANGES Oppose. –Davey2010^Talk 18:04, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Highly dubious

A lot of dubious stuff here. As another editor has pointed out, the country of origin column says any old thing for a lot of the pies (with a distinct touch of America-centrism) and the photos are not always appropriate or clear. No, I am not about to fix it. My Wikipedia editing days are over, I think. Not worth the hassle or bullying that may easily ensue.APW (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

"Chocolate pie" listed at Redirects for discussion

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