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Odds are almost everything I add is going to be unlinked. I don't know whether it's better to have a somewhat jarring mass of red, or less noticeable black. --Mothperson 16:39, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it may be preferable to wikilink all places, even if it does result in gobs of red links. Leaving a new entry unlinked could allow for the interpretation that it is not noteworthy enough to have its own Wikipedia article, and I think that this list should stick to only those places that have that level of importance. Thanks for the additions, Kurieeto 22:11, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
I've got about 75 names at the moment. I don't know how to differentiate. Size of lakes? Length of rivers? Population of towns? There's a series of books from 1909 on American place names that is sort of horrifyingly complete - almost every single small stream and hill. I don't want to go there! I thought if it's on general maps, it's important enough, but I don't know. That's what I'm using as a cut-off for New England. There, I haven't come to any conclusions as to whether each place deserves an article, but I'm leaning to probably not. The list is a collection which conveys something in and of itself. But I need some more guidance from you on what you want to see here. Thanks. --Mothperson 23:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I agree, it is tricky trying to determine a threshold for notability. As an example set of data I googled the four additions you've made. "Kénagami" into Google got 8 hits, but I was led to trying "Lac Kenogami", which had 9,420 hits. I then tried "Lac Kenogami" into weather.ca and it returned data, so that one easily passed a test of importance. In contrast, "Washicouta" resulted in no hits on Google, and Google didn't provide any other suggested search terms so I couldn't pursue it further. Perhaps a Google threshold of 100 would be acceptable to make this list? Kurieeto 23:48, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
Hey - that works for me. Good thinking. And if I can't edit for - how long is it going to be? - I can google. Great. --Mothperson 00:02, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
During the down time yesterday, I pruned my list of the next-to-unknowns, and ended up with a small handful under a thousand-count. Everything else was in the thousands or multi-thousands. So I've upped the level. Except for Killinek Island (999), I will put that handful on this page, just in case they turn out to be of interest. And doing this was quite helpful. I figured out why I didn't question my New England inclusions. It's because I'm so familiar with most of the places, and therefore I wasn't questioning whether they were article-worthy. I'm thinking about applying the system to the N.E. list, although I have a feeling I won't be deleting much. Anyway, it was interesting. What do you want to do about counties? List them first or within the province body? Quebec has 18 that qualify. --Mothperson 13:34, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I missed this question when it was first posted. I would suggest that if a name is used for both a county and a city, such as Rimouski, Quebec, that we make the link to the city the most prominent. People relate to city/town names stronger than they do to regional names, and the names of counties & similar geographic distributions can change more quickly than city names I believe. I would note Rimouski in the following way:
As another example of this naming convention, I'll use it on Caniapiscau, Quebec. Currently Caniapiscau is listed as:
Instead, it could be listed as:
I think the brevity this notation allows for when a name is re-used is very advantageous. Kurieeto July 1, 2005 19:13 (UTC)

The disqualified handful:

  • Réservoir Pipmuacan (257 google hits)
  • Kaniapiskau (119)
  • Rivière Koksoak (314)
  • Little Mecantina River (184)
  • Meductic (761)
  • Rivière Caniapiscau (684) (I forget how or if this is related to the town Kaniapiskau, but I have an opaque note that there are two of the latter, so it probably is)
  • Rivière Talnustouc (154)
  • Rivière Opinaca (147)
  • Okak Islands in Newfoundland (361) (I ended up here by mistake)

C'est tout. This leaves me with a bunch of lakes and rivers to add, and a few towns. But first, I need to google my own list's places. --Mothperson 16:14, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But Caniapiscau has 10,000 hits and 4 wikipedia articles (I added it to the list) Luigizanasi 19:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yikes. My bad. Very. Thank you. Cold comfort - at least I'm erring on the conservative side --Mothperson 21:09, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Caniapiscau. I know that one. Unlike some names in New England. --Mothperson 21:14, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nxwísten, N'quatqua, Lil'wat and others by the thousands?

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From the look of the main article it looks like only major cities are on the list; and it looks like you've evolved parameters for interest/hits or something as to what warrants a placenames inclusion. Potentially this list is huge and will need either subcategories of bullet-sections and subsections to break it down by area; the straightforward alphabetical list will be massive if all native placenames in Canada; even just in BC or Quebec or Manitoba alone. The names in the section title above are translations into the local language of definitely-significant towns and localities as well as their governing organizations and languages etc; they're in Wiki already, even though you've never seen them unless you've been in that particular part of BC or are up on native-BC news. I'll do the main well-known placenames in BC which are native in origin (and continuing use, in places like Kispiox and Kitimat and Cowichan) but I'm curious as to any guidelines for this kind of list; I gather hopelessly obscure names will never get hits, so that would mean they're off the list? I'll put in the ones I think are worth putting in I guess; and see where it goes from there (up or down); if someone thinks it's getting to need management into subcategories and knows how to do it, once it gets big enough (it will).Skookum1 09:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Notice of intent to do Chinook Jargon toponymy (namelist)

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Been thinking about this for a while even before I came to Wikiworld. After studying the Jargon pretty intently for a couple of years I wound up doing a lot of detailed mapwork, exploring BC and much of Alaska and the Mountain States by close-up oneline topos (BC Provincial Basemap and USGS-series http://www.topozone.com Topozone] mostly). Some Chinook authors have catalogued placenames, but a comprehensive list has never been done. Such names range over the entire region I call the Skookum Illahee - multiple meanings all meant, but here also meaning "the country where you hear the word skookum" - the regional range of the Chinook Jargon, which spanned the Northwest from Montana and Nevada through BC to Alaska and Yukon. And you don't always recognize them because the spelling has changed or for other reasons; Skookum Illahee also simply means "strong country". I guess I'll do my list of Chinook Jargon placenames and only link those for which there are other pages; when I get to it.Skookum1 09:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Pondering List of place names of French origin in British Columbia

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Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This may be a non sequitur for other provinces, but in BC many of these names may be of Euro-French origin or CJ-borrowings.....or adaptations into English e.g. Francois Lake (orig Lac des francais) - or from French into English such as Lac La Hache (originally Axe Lake). Didn't know where else to post this, this seems the logical place....it would seem not needed for NB or NS, where French or French-adapted Mi'kmaq names are common;Skookum1 (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --rgpk (comment) 21:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

List of place names in Canada of Aboriginal origin → List of place names in Canada of aboriginal origin – No need for capitalization of "Aboriginal" in this instance. This moved was proposed by a now inactive editor many months ago, but never completed. DigitalC (talk) 17:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

See also WP:LOWERCASE. DigitalC (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

Support. I think the capitalisation confusion comes from the Australian Aborigine, but the common word synonymous with indigenous should not be capitalised. Rennell435 (talk) 00:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

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remove Quilchena from the BC section

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Though i have no Linguistic skills to track word origins, I don't think Quilchena is a word originally from first nations people of the Nicola Valley. the native and non-native people of the Nicola valley pronounce "Quilchena" exactly like "Cuilcheanna", Cuilcheanna i believe is of Scottish origin. People outside of the region pronounce Quilchena with a hard CH or CHu sound, with the region it is a soft CH or shh sound. There is a long history of scotish emigrants to BC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mithrang (talk • contribs) 18:20, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

To expand on this. the Gaelic word "Cuilcheanna" means "The nook of the headland". while Quilchena has been defined as “flat land near water”. those definitions have a lot in common and sound very similar. I think that Quilchena is an uncommon Gaelic word that people have assumed to be First Nations. --Mithrang (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Mithrang: It's unsourced and you're contesting it. It's ideal grounds for removal. Go ahead. (WP:VERIFY) Air.light (talk) 08:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
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