Talk:List of wars involving the United States

We should consider adding the Taiping Rebellion to this List.

The United States had at least one maybe two battles with during the Taiping Rebellion. One was the Battle of Muddy Flat in 1854 Shanghai by the Shanghai Volunteer Corps along with an unknown number of English volunteers and 30 American merchantmen against Qing Dynasty forces during the Small Swords Society amidst Taiping Rebellion. The Shanghai Volunteer Corps was composed of British and American Sailors and Marines according to the Book "One Hundred Eighty Landings of United States Marines 1800-1934". They fought a against the Small Swords Society for not leaving the surrounding areas of the foreign concessions. The British and Americans won with few KIAs and wounded, while the Qing suffered numerous, but uncalculated dead and wounded.

I can get more specific numbers on the casualties if asked, I am looking into creating a new article on it at some point, as the only wiki reference to it that I am aware of it is in the Shanghai Volunteer Corps article. But I think for the fact that the U.S. participated in this battle alone that the U.S. should be included as a participant in the Taiping Rebellion.

The possible second battle would be the Battle of Shanghai (1861) though I would want more information on this event. According to the article the U.S.A. participated in this battle, but there is not much context. Accept a citation that I had trouble accessing. But the editor could have meant two things. It could have been that the Shanghai Volunteer Corps. I know they were still active in 1861, but I am not sure if they still had Americans surviving in the volunteers at the time. They could have been, but there is no mention of the Shanghai Volunteer Corps in the article. It could also be that the original editor was referring to the Ever Victorious Army which was a Chinese force mixed of Chinese, American, European, and Filipino soldiers and led by the American Frederick Townsend Ward. It is debated whether or not this was a force led by mercenaries or filibusters, but either way I don't think we can count the E.V.A. as a U.S. military force. So we could only count it as a U.S. military battle if we can confirm that the Shanghai Volunteer Corps was active and still implemented U.S. marines and sailors.

What are everyone's thoughts? Any input and or help would be appreciated. I am newer to Wikipedia, but I want to explore this idea. I have a handful of sources we can use, and some research opportunities I can do to gain more insights. Historyguy1138 (talk) 18:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I created the Battle of Muddy Flat Article should we add it to the page under Taiping Rebellion?

Battle of Muddy Flat Historyguy1138 (talk) 17:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2024

In the row for Winnebago War (1827) the second column (Allies) has a br tag that is missing its closing angle bracket causing it to render as plaintext instead of a line break. I propose that someone add the closing angle bracket so that it renders correctly. Danston11 (talk) 23:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done Bowler the Carmine | talk 05:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Should we add any of the U.S. Labor Wars (especially the Coal Wars) to the list?

Not sure if we should count them or not? I'm having a hard time with this one. On the one hand we could consider them as regular conflicts like the List of conflicts in the United States. Although the top of this list does not say wars, it says the US was involved in 113 military conflicts. But it does not stop short of conflicts outside the USA, because it includes Bleeding Kansas. It does seem to stop short of wars where the U.S. military is not involved, but then again the U.S. miliary could be said to include the U.S. miliary on two points. 1. John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry did involve the U.S. military, and 2. it involved them as Bleeding Kansas bleed into the Civil War (pun intended).

So in like manner should we open up this list to the Coal and Labor wars where the U.S. military fought in? Here is a few key ones to consider The Coal Wars (think of the Battle of Blair Mountain), the Great Railroad Strike of 1877, the 1811 German Coast Uprising.

Many of them included the national guard at the very least, If we stop there what about Shays' Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, or Fries's Rebellion?

If we went this route, maybe we should only include the Labor Wars, Rebellions, and Slave Rebellions where the United States military fought in.

So for example we would not include Slave rebellions such as the 1842 Slave Revolt in the Cherokee Nation?

Also if we do the Coal Wars should we divide them up based off of Wars involving the U.S. Military or just leave them as the Coal Wars in general and adjust the dates and casualties based on all the Coal Wars combined where the USA fought? My hunch is no since we did not do this with the Banana wars or the American Indian Wars, but its fine with me either way.

Thanks. Historyguy1138 (talk) 19:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)