Talk:Lliswerry

The official name is 'Liswerry' (with one L) regardless of what the railway bridge on Somerton Road might say! Here is a list from www.statistics.gov.uk:

Newport	00PRMX	Allt-yr-yn
Newport	00PRMY	Alway
Newport	00PRMZ	Beechwood
Newport	00PRNA	Bettws
Newport	00PRNB	Caerleon
Newport	00PRNC	Gaer
Newport	00PRND	Graig
Newport	00PRNE	Langstone
Newport	00PRNF	Liswerry
Newport	00PRNG	Llanwern
Newport	00PRNH	Malpas
Newport	00PRNJ	Marshfield
Newport	00PRNK	Pillgwenlly
Newport	00PRNL	Ringland
Newport	00PRNM	Rogerstone
Newport	00PRNN	St. Julians
Newport	00PRNP	Shaftesbury
Newport	00PRNQ	Stow Hill
Newport	00PRNR	Tredegar Park
Newport	00PRNS	Victoria

Owain 10:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

RUBBISH! THE NAME THE DOUBLE L IN LLISWERRY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ORIGINAL SPELLING OF THE NAME, TAKEN FORM THE WELSH LLYS MEANING COURT. THE SPELLING WITH 1 L HAS ONLY HAD IT'S ORIGINS WHEN THE POST OFFICE OPPENED THE L WAS DROPPED EITHER BECAUSE THE ORGINATORS WERE TRYING TO ANGLICIZE THE NAME OR IT WAS EASIER TO PRODUCE ON A STAMP! CHECK OUT W.H. DAVIES POETRY IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME!! PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN AND BRED IN LLISWERRY FIND IT INCREASINGLY ANNOYING THAT OUTSIDERS APPEAR TO KNOW HOW TO SPELL OR NAME BETTER THAN WE DO AND FIND THAT THE COUNCIL CHANGE STREET SIGNS AND OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS IN ORDER TO ABOLISH THE ORIGINAL SPELING OR OUR NAME!

LET THE PEOPLE OF LLISWERY CHOOSE HOW THEIR DISTRICT IS TO BE SPELT AND STOP TRYING TO DESTROY A NAME THAT HAS EXISTED FOR HUNDREDS OR YEARS BEFORE NEWPORT COUNCIL OR THE STATISTICS OFFICE!!!

LONG LIVE LLISWERRY WITH 2 L'S!!!

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All three schools use the Welsh spelling. 'Lliswerry' gets 15,200 hits on Google, while 'Liswerry' musters 12,700. It's safe to say that the 'Ll' form is the more widely used, even if pronounciation hasn't followed suit. As for the names of council wards, they don't always reflect local usage. I don't know anyone who calls Maindee 'Victoria' 86.139.43.182 23:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Liswerry with one L is the anglicised version of Llyswyry, therefore, if the 'two Ls' brigade insist on two Ls they SHOULD use the entire welsh spelling. They can't just take the two Ls of the welsh name and stick them on the front of the anglicised version and claim it's the correct spelling. Clearly it's not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveMclean (talk • contribs) 22:54, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

If your origins are from Liswerry / Lliswerry you probably spell the name with 2 Ll,s. I completed a face book survey and I was surprised that everybody who took part (over 300) completely agreed it was spelt with two Ll’s, not one person came back and spelt it with one L. However if you do look at old maps before 1830 you will always find that the name was only spelt with one L. So I would sum up if it’s important to the people from Lliswerry to spell it with 2 Ll’s then that’s good enough for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.188.147 (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Correct the spelling

Ok, I know the spelling has always been contentious and don't wish to open a bunfight but Newport City Council's own website consistently refers to 'Lliswerry' as the ward and area as does all spelling of the name for buildings and organisations in the area. eg Lliswerry schools, Lliswerry AFC and all Wikipedia references. The only anomaly is the actual article title 'Liswerry'. Therefore unless there is an objection I propose for consistency to move the page from Liswerry to Lliswerry. I will leave the first sentence unchanged, which already reads 'Lliswerry, sometimes spelt Liswerry'.Pwimageglow (talk) 17:45, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Makes sense to change it to LliswerryZebroski (talk) 16:34, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Quite agree. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Here's a South Wales Argus article from March 2020 with this image. Probably 1970s? The geograph.org image linked to in the article is not very clear. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 28 June 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved. See general agreement below to rename this article. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there  18:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

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Liswerry → Lliswerry – As per article content. As per Lliswerry High School. As per sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 10:38, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Previous closure - reopened
The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) KSFT (t|c) 06:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:USENGLISH this is the name of the settlement, community and ward. While "Liswerry" gets about 47,900 results and "Lliswerry" gets about 93,300 it seems like "Liswerry" is the English name while the Welsh one prefers 2 "l"s (although the actual Welsh name is Llyswyry). Note that "Lliswerry High School" is a proper noun so can be different to the suburb, see Fife/Fifeshire Artillery Militia for example. See also discussion here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • WRONG: The Ward and Community as per Newport Council is Lliswerry here 18:52, 1 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwimageglow (talk • contribs)
  • The Lliswerry Runners also spell it that way. As does the doctor's surgery and the Baptist Church and the Church of England Benefice.... Just sayin'. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Possibly then we should dismiss the OS because we need Welsh specific sources but apparently Newport isn't a high Welsh speaking place especially given the Ghits difference and the Newport City Council source. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
      • Most of Wales isn't high Welsh speaking areas. It's irrelevant because the official name of the area is Lliswerry as I've referenced and, as you say, it's not even a Welsh translation anyway.Pwimageglow (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
      • You are quite right, Newport certainly isn't "a high Welsh Speaking place". And even though the typical Newport accent usually renders that first sound as /l/ rather than /ɬ/, I'd suggest that many Newport residents, especially those in any official position, would today expect to see it written with two ls. Martinevans123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:20, 1 July 2019‎ (UTC)

@Pwimageglow and Martinevans123: - can you please clarify your position with respect to the proposal? bd2412 T 04:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

• Support Comment. Support as nominator. Sorry, I thought this was clear. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you Paine Ellsworth for correcting this. I only added it when, as you can see, I was directly asked to "clarify my position with respect to the proposal". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

• Pleasure! Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there  18:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

• Support Sorry, I thought this was clear - as I've clarified and referenced the official name of the area and most widely used spelling is Lliswerry. Also, why was this move request closed after just 3 days? Pwimageglow (talk) 18:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

User:KSFT, do wish to review your non-Admin closure, in the light of Pwimageglow's recent contribution? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. The discussion had been relisted nearly two weeks before I closed it, with no comments for about three days before or after, so I assumed no one else planned to participate. Now that a couple edits have been made to the closed discussion, I see I was wrong. I am reverting my close. I hope a consensus forms. KSFT ^(t|c) 21:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, User:KSFT. User:Crouch, Swale, would you care to respond at all? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Martinevans123 I still hold the position that the OS is likely the best source since its a national one that can be used for consistency, that said the evidence presented shows that the spelling with 2 "l"s is also common that I'm only weakly against this move. However I don't see evidence that its the official name either even if that's what Newport City Council calls it. What other sources are there on the settlement (and community/ward) as opposed to other entities that have the settlement in their name? Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

With respect, what on earth are you talking about? the official name of the area is Lliswerry as identified by Newport City Council. Any other opinion or spelling is irrelevant. I dont wish to be unkind but do you really think the local authority don't know how to spell the wards under their control? As further supporting evidence Martinevans123 has patiently listed the numerous organisations in the area spelling Lliswerry. Other than a typo in an OS map there's no evidence to suggest any other spelling and even if there was the official name is still and always will be Lliswerry.Pwimageglow (talk) 09:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

You seem to be saying that Newport City Council, under whose local government this ward falls, is somehow "less official" than Ordnance Survey, a mapping agency? I'm simply pointing out that the vast majority of local bodies and organisations, which represent the people who actually live there, also call it Lliswerry. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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