Talk:Livadia Palace

Return of stolen property

To the righter of this web page regarding this Palace. How come you have not listed all previous owners, and above all, not the last one? How come this property has not been returned to the last lawful owner, since the Bolscheviks took it at gun point in 1917?? There is a word used for keeping and handling stolen property in most languages - not to mention the moral one. H. von Börtzell-Szuch, Stockholm, Sweden, EU. 19/11 2007.

Sofia Rotaru

Sofia Rotaru's birthday was the only one celebrated here since the Yalta Conference. Therefore, I think it's worth mentioning it in the lead.--Rubikonchik (talk) 09:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I am concerned about the share of Sofia Rotaru-related text in the lead section. It leaves an impression like Rotaru was half of the palace's history which she isn't. Therefore I suggest to leave Rotaru with only a sentence in the lead, possibly about her financing the reconstruction. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 09:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC).

Your suggestion needs to be discussed. Bear in my mind, no other person was allowed to hold a private party there since 1945 (and probabaly before as well)...--Rubikonchik (talk) 09:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

After all, it's a birthday party. It is not the biggest historical event ever held in the palace. Were the palace known mainly for facilitating a singer's birthday party, the notability of the palace would be in substantial doubt. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 10:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

At the Sofia Roatru's event were invited three presidents, of which two were effectively present. This is the second time in the history of the palace an event of such scale takes place in there.--Rubikonchik (talk) 16:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Then it's a birthday party with three presidents. So what? --Jaan Pärn (talk) 18:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

So what? The last important event there gathering three heads of state was Yalta Conference. Do you know of any others of such importance? --Rubikonchik (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yalta Conference was an event where the fate of the world was decided. Sofia Rotaru's birthday party was a, well, a birthday party. No amount of presidents will make a birthday party comparable to Yalta Conference or significant for inclusion. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 22:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

This article is not about comparing events, but about Livadia Palace and what marked its history. Only two events took place here in presence of the highest officals - heads of states: 1) Yalta Conference and 2) Anniversary of Sofia Rotaru.--Rubikonchik (talk) 08:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

name

does the name of the palace, and the town, have anything to do with Katsonis' birhthplace, Livadia (his article claimed his birthplace as Ithaca before, which was wrong)? 87.202.36.197 (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

History

During the second World War the ceremony to the successful completion of the german Crimean campaign (the capture of Sewastopol) by the 11th German army under the command General Erich von Manstein and the appointment of the commanding General Erich von Manstein to the rank of a Generalfeldmarschall by handing over of the marschall baton was held in the garden of Livadia Palace on July 6, 1942. Participants of the ceremony were all Commanders and Batalionführer and all Officers, Unteroffiziere and Soldiers who were awarded with the german "Ritterkreuz" (Knight's Cross) and the "Deutsches Kreuz in Gold"(german Cross in Gold) for Services during the campaign.[1]--79.240.195.12 (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I rephrased and boiled down the above section, removing awkward translations from German, but I'm not sure it has much relevance to a general history of the palace, seeing as the German occupation only last a couple of years.

The palace was once used as a mental institution... — When? Sca (talk) 14:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Imperial visit to Italy 1909

"In 1909 Nicholas and his wife travelled to Italy, where they were captivated by Renaissance palaces shown to them by Victor Emmanuel III."

Is there any evidence that Alexandra accompanied Nicholas to Italy in 1909? From what have seen this was a very short trip to Italy and back and that Nicholas traveled alone. Seems possible that their "being captivated by Reanissance palaces" had nothing to do with this visit, and that the plans for the palace were very likely complete or nearly so before this visit took place (in October 1909). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyrrhura.molinae (talk • contribs) 22:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the line: "In 1909 Nicholas and his wife, Aleksandra, travelled to Italy, where they were captivated by Renaissance palaces shown to them by Victor Emmanuel III." having found no indication that Aleksandra traveled to Italy in 1909 and to the contrary found this quote: " On Tuesday, October 6th, 1909 Nicholas II left his family in Livadia in the Crimea for his solo trip to Italy. After passing Turin on Saturday October 10th, his train arrived at Racconigi at 2:30 PM, where he was met by the King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy. Arriving at the palace, he was greeted by Queen Elena and her ladies on the terrace..." <ref> winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca, entry for 9 September 2016. <ref> Agapornis.personata (talk) 16:17, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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No British ship was sent to rescue the Romanov family.

Please correct the story. No rescue by the British took place. The family were removed by more extreme revolutionaries and massacred. 2A00:23C7:A192:2401:B141:235C:7EF6:C18F (talk) 06:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)