Talk:Lizzie Velásquez

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because the importance has been asserted and relies upon the qualification of the subject being one of only three people worldwide suffering from a rare and inexplicable condition, and the most notable of those three because of her public speaking, her 2012 published work, and reportage upon her in reliable sources. Steals (talk) 05:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I have fixed some of the technical problems with the article. I have read the references, and there is nothing in the article that isn't reported in reliable media sources as having been said by the woman herself, so it can't be that contentious. —Anne Delong (talk) 07:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Kindly edit the reference number 8 pointing to: ^ How Do YOU Define Yourself Lizzie Velasquez at TEDxAustinWomen Unknown parameter |web= ignored (help) talk 12:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Improving the article

Hi, Steals. You mentioned that Lizzie has been doing some public speaking. Although it's in the references, it's not mentioned in the article itself. You could add this fact if you have a reference for it. You could also mention the book's publishing company. —Anne Delong (talk) 07:26, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

The article mentions a daily intake of 5000 kilocalories, which would be 5 million calories per day. That seems a little outrageous, and is confirmed as error by next few words mentioning the US average being 3770. The US average is 3770 calories, not 3770 kilocalories.

A kilocalorie ("kcal") is the scientific name for what most people call a "calorie," namely a "food calorie" or a "[capital-C] Calorie." As the prefix suggests, one kilocalorie or food calorie is equivalent to 1,000 chemical calories, with a chemical calorie defined roughly as the amount of energy required to heat one cubic centimeter of water by one degree Centigrade or Kelvin and being equivalent to about 4.185 Joules. She is indeed eating 5 million chemical calories per day; by that same token, if the 3770-Calorie (note the capital C, which may not have been in the source) statistic quoted is correct, the U.S. average is 3.77 million chemical calories per day. The confusion arises from interpreting the "calorie" part of "kilocalorie" as referring to food calories when it actually refers to chemical calories. 108.39.32.14 (talk) 19:24, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

For the example requested, the following: Her daily energy intake of about 5000 kilocalories[8] compares with the US average of 3770.[10 should be: Her daily energy intake of about 5000 calories[8] compares with the US average of 3770.[10

Not done: This is not an error. See Kilocalorie. The words mean the same. RudolfRed (talk) 03:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

US average consumption isn't even 3770 calories, that is a misreading of the source statistics - it gives the impression that each american, on average intakes almost 4000 kcal .. I find it hard to believe. See the methodology in the referenced report: "The food consumption refers to the amount of food available for human consumption as estimated by the FAO Food Balance Sheets. However the actual food consumption may be lower than the quantity shown as food availability depending on the magnitude of wastage and losses of food in the household, e.g. during storage, in preparation and cooking, as plate-waste or quantities fed to domestic animals and pets, thrown or given away." 89.77.159.209 (talk) 18:45, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Too lazy to give a source and certainly too lazy to make the edit, but I once heard a statistic of 3800 kCals/American/day with 1100 going to spoilage and not actually being consumed, resulting in an actual intake of 2700 kCals.American/day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.170.212 (talk) 08:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Peer review

This article is now ready for peer review. When nominated for it, the expectation is that the nominator will also do a peer review for one of the articles already sitting in the review queue. Whether reviewing, nominating or updating it's my view that the next steps toward improvement will come from anyone who actually has their hands on any of LV's three books.202.159.138.188 (talk) 00:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Lizzie Velasquez → Lizzie Velásquez – Just as for Diego Velásquez, she is hispanic and the accenting of the 'a' in her surname gives guidance for its correct pronunciation (say it like "ARS" not "AZ" Steals (talk) 00:29, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

• Note: I just moved this page back to Lizzie Velasquez after one Bespirden parachuted in and moved it before the process had finished. Apparently, both he and Steals have now been blocked as sockpuppets of a third account—but whatever its parentage, this article seems solid, so I suppose we might as well finish off this discussion like normal. —Neil 14:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Evidence

I'm not trying to browbeat people into changing their votes, but I do want to lay the evidence out very visibly, since I think it runs very strongly against the move. That Velasquez is originally a Spanish name is irrelevant; this person lives in the United States, where many Hispanics like Cain Velasquez, Mark Velasquez, and Jaci Velasquez do without the accent. So we have to pick based solely on common use in reliable sources written by both third-parties and by Lizzie Velasquez herself. I'm listing the sources I can find, both with and without the accent, below. Feel free to add to the list if you find more. —Neil 22:21, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Sources Using Lizzie Velasquez

• Lizzie Velasquez, Be Beautiful, Be You (2012): "My name is Lizzie Velasquez and I'm twenty-three years old. I study communications at Texas State University. I adore small dogs..."
• Lizzie Velasquez, Personal Twitter account (@littlelizziev): "Lizzie Velasquez—@littlelizziev—Motivational Speaker & Author. For all media inquiries or to book Lizzie for a speaking engagement contact Lizzie at lizziebeautiful@yahoo.com"
• Liguori Publications, "Be Beautiful, Be You: About the Author": "Lizzie Velasquez is a communications major at Texas State University in San Marcos...Her story has been featured in both national and international media, including The Today Show, Inside Edition, Australia’s Sunday Night, Germany’s Explosiv, and Dr. Drew. This is her second book."
• Today Show, "Meet woman who can’t gain weight: At 21, she’s 60 pound" (6 July 2010): "But that’s how it’s always been for Lizzie Velasquez, a bright and bubbly college student with a rare disorder that makes it impossible for her to gain weight, no matter how much she eats. 'They look at me like I’m a monster. Wherever I go, it’s like I walk with an audience because people are constantly looking at me,' Velasquez, 21, told TODAY’s Ann Curry Tuesday in New York.
• Entertainment Tonight, "Woman's Lifelong Struggle with Bullying Revealed", (1 February 2013): "...ET's Brooke Anderson spoke to a young woman who's dealt with the problem her entire life due to a debilitating disease that makes it virtually impossible for her to keep weight on. Lizzie Velasquez, 23, was diagnosed at an early age with an extremely rare disease that strips tissue away from her body, leaving her bone thin and blind in one eye..."
• The Daily Telegraph, "The girl who must eat every 15 minutes to stay alive" (28 June 2010): "Despite consuming between 5,000 and 8,000 calories daily, the communications student, has never tipped over 4st 3lbs. 'I weigh myself regularly and if I gain even one pound I get really excited,' said 5ft 2 ins Miss Velasquez, who wears size triple zero clothes."
• Frank Thadeusz, "8,000 Calories a Day: Doctors Mystified by Case of World's Thinnest Woman", Der Spiegel (19 November 2010): "Texas native Lizzie Velasquez, 21, is thinner than anyone thought possible. She spends her days wolfing down burgers, fries and cake..."
• Hollie O'Connor, "Q & A: Lizzie Velasquez", University Star (29 August 2012): "Lizzie Velasquez, communication studies senior, has lived her entire life with a rare syndrome that prevents her from gaining weight...The University Star spoke with Velasquez about her latest book and her motivations behind writing it."
• Damien Pearse, "Thin Lizzie: Student Must Eat 60 Meals A Day", Sky News (29 June 2010): "Lizzie Velasquez has a rare and undiagnosed syndrome that prevents her from putting on weight. She has to..."
• David W. Freeman, "Girl Must Eat Every 15 Minutes: Lizzie Velasquez Stays Skeletal Despite Nonstop Eating", CBS News (28 June 2010): "Velasquez was born premature, weighing only 2 pounds, 10 ounces, she wrote on her website. 'I was actually so small that my baby clothes were actually doll clothes from Toys 'R' Us because that's all that would fit me!' "

Sources Using Lizzie Velásquez

• Lizzie and Rita Velásquez, Lizzie Beautiful: The Lizzie Velásquez Story (2010): "Lizzie Velásquez, born with a rare medical condition, opens her soul and shares her remarkable story, giving us an inspiring testimony. This book..."
• Her Spanish-language referenced online biography
  • This is the Spanish Wikipedia article. —Neil 02:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
• Lizzie Velásquez: You can not gain weight when you must eat every 15 minutes to survive Pijamasurf.com
• Lizzie Velásquez talks about her strange syndrome, her body has no fat wradio.com.co
• Lizzie Velásquez: Eat every fifteen minutes to stay alive wickedmagazine.org
• The world's ugliest woman: Lizzie Velásquez, breaks the silence ... impre.com
• US woman may die if she does not eat every 15 minutes masdelaweb.com
• September 2012 profiling salud.cienradios.com.ar
• 'Stop looking and start learning' says Lizzie Velásquez, dubbed "the world's ugliest woman" zonafranca.mx
• Woman has to eat every 15 minutes to survive emol.com
• This woman eats and eats without gaining weight estrellavalpo.cl — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steals (talk • contribs) 02:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: The ten sources above are in Spanish, not English. In my opinion, they are less relevant than English-language sources since Velasquez speaks and writes primarily in English and lives in the United States. —Neil 02:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

• Oppose. I'm all for diacritics, but in this case both the person in question ([1][2]) and the media ([3][4][5][6]) spell her name without the accent. We should do the same. —Neil 00:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Neil should probably be contacted to change this since the book covers linked show the Spanish spelling on the English edition. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

• I agree we should follow this person's preference, but as I mentioned in my first comment, on her website and in her most recent book she doesn't use the accent. Here's a quote from the book (via the Amazon.com preview): "My name is Lizzie Velasquez and I'm twenty-three years old. I study communications at Texas State University." No accent! —Neil 18:47, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are no references anywhere that I can find on search engines, or the references that are currently on this article, that show her name with diacritics. Steel1943 (talk) 01:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support Have a look at this. If the name is like that on the cover of her own first published book, who are we to argue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steals (talk • contribs) 06:05, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Steals, I highly recommend that in the future you state and present all evidence supporting a move prior to submitting a discussion on Wikipedia:Requested moves. Due to the fact that the evidence you just presented could have fully supported your case, it should have been provided initially. Anyways, I'm changing my vote to "Support" in light of the new evidence. Steel1943 (talk) 06:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Steel1943, did you notice the evidence I posted above that in her most recent book she does not use the accent? I would argue that every media source plus her most recent book outweighs her first book. —Neil 07:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Neil P. Quinn, I'm actually supporting it now based on that one book, and the point Steals made at the beginning of this discussion about her heritage. Steel1943 (talk) 07:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, I understand that. I just want to make sure you're aware that in her most recent book she spells her own name as Lizzie Velasquez, without the accent, exactly like the current title of the article (and exactly like all the media sources I was able to find). That's why I oppose this move. —Neil 08:12, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• I understand your reasoning; however, I support the move since the diatrics have appeared in an official printing of her name at least once. Steel1943 (talk) 08:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

The diacritics are more prevalent in media/official printing, including most of her three book publications - not restricted to those which are Spanish-language either — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steals (talk • contribs) 02:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support as per Amazon.com own book cover. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support: The book covers are pretty convincing evidence. Skinsmoke (talk) 10:21, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support, her named should be spelled correctly. JIP | Talk 14:52, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

á in Spanish is an accented letter, pronounced just the way "a" is. Both á and a sound like /a/. The accent indicates the stressed syllable in words with irregular stress patterns. It can also be used to "break up" a Diphthong#Spanish or to avoid what would otherwise be homonyms, although this does not happen with á, because a is a strong vowel and usually does not become a semivowel in a diphthong. See diacritic and acute accent for more details.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

• Comment. I don't know if this would have any bearing on this discussion or not, but I noticed that the editor who proposed this move, Steals, was blocked for being a sockpuppet. Research found that Steals was most likely the same editor who performed the bold move a few days ago. Steel1943 (talk) 20:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

• The editor who performed the initial bold move was Bespirden, who along with the editor Steals, were found to be sockpuppets of MalesAlwaysBest. Just wanted to point this out. Whether or not this has any bearing on this discussion, I have no idea. Steel1943 (talk) 20:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2020

I would like to edit please I am a 8th grade spelling teacher and would like to fix spelling mistakes. Bruhmomentslelelel (talk) 01:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

•  Not done These edit requests aren't for asking permission to edit the article directly. They're intended for users to suggest their specific edits. Note that edit requests are supposed to be phrased in terms of "change X to Y", but if you just list the spelling mistakes here, we can get right on them. Larry Hockett (Talk) 02:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Her weight when born.

It say in the article that her when she was born was 1,219 grams. It should be 1,219 kg. 1,219 gram = 0.04299oz 95.199.15.29 (talk) 13:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

my bad, the text in the article is right. 95.199.15.29 (talk) 15:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2021

Change title to: "Most Beautiful Woman in the World" Stuparina (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 22:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Aww that’s actually super wholesome. Dronebogus (talk) 20:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)