Talk:Lloyd (automobile)

50-63 needs expansion

Even though only a couple years had wood and fabric bodied cars, 90% of the section seems to pertain to those. There needs to be more about the later steel cars, and their import numbers and acceptance in the US. Evidently quite a number were imported to the US.Flight Risk (talk) 18:42, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Still a stub?

The article has grown somewhat beyond "stub-status", I think? --Heinrich L. 22:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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LS600 Sighting

I spotted this one -

Lloyd LS600 Snowmobile

- in Stewart, British Columbia, the other day. Anyone know anything about it? Feel free to add picture to article if you think it'll help. Mr Larrington (talk) 23:59, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 7 February 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 06:39, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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North German Automobile and Engine → Lloyd (automobile) – WP:PLA should suffice, but here is a bit more: Lloyd was the brand used by a company which traded under a variety of names from 1908 until 1963. The company began as NAMAG ("Norddeutsche Automobil- und Motoren-Actien-Gesellschaft") from 1908 until 1914, building a handful of electric cars under both the Lloyd and NAMAG brands. From 1914 they became "Hansa-Lloyd AG" after fusing with Hansa. In 1931 the company changed names to "Hansa-Lloyd und Goliath-Werke Borgward & Tecklenborg oHG" and in February 1949 they became the "Lloyd Maschinenfabrik G.m.b.H." In 1951 they changed names again, becoming "Lloyd Motoren Werke G.m.b.H."
To recap, the company operated under various names incorporating the name "Lloyd" for 49 out of their 55 years in existence, and built cars named "Lloyd" for all of those years. The article nearly exclusively concerns Lloyd automobiles. The English translation "North German Automobile and Engine" has never been used and is completely unsuitable and misleading for an article about Lloyds.  Mr.choppers | ✎  05:19, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support as proposed but is it worth considering: Lloyd Motoren Werke, Lloyd Motor Works or Lloyd Motor ? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 07:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support move. Lloyd is (or was) a marque (like Mercedes-Benz), I'd therefore recommend Lloyd (marque). Translations of „German“ names are not particularly useful, since the „German“ names often don't make sense in the first place. „Motoren Werke“ for example literally means "engines, thou shalt work" or "engines plants", which doesn't make sense at all. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 12:18, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Comment: "Lloyd (marque)" sounds very stilted, doesn't have the same clarity as Automerk in German or Bilmärke in Swedish. Lloyd Motoren Werke could work but it was only corrrect for the last 12 years or so. But anything is better than current name.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that's stilted; in the German language version of Wikipedia, the article's name is de:Lloyd (Automarke), which would translate into English as Lloyd (marque). Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 16:57, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Like I already said, "marque" strikes a very different tone from Automerk or bilmärke. Maybe "car brand," but that sounds very American. I think perhaps marque is more British English. In the US, "marque" is usually used to connote a certain air of snobbery; the kind of word you'd see in a Robb Report article.  Mr.choppers | ✎  00:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support move. "Lloyd (automobile)" combines the name by which the cars were known within the living memory of most of those wiki readers both (1) alive and (2) old enough to remember the cars. And the addition of (automobile) respects an existing convention for anglophone wikipedia entries which (1) seems to work and importantly (2) doesn't appear to upset too many people. Please do it. Regards Charles01 (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

I think my objection to using the word "marque" in this context is that different people mean slightly different things by it. All words come with a certain amount of unspoken "baggage", but I do not think, if this discussion acquired five (or ten or more) contributors, we are likely come close to agreeing between us over what the unspoken "baggage" attaching to the word "marque" is. I tried to find out what wikipedia meant by it and ended up here. It has come into more regular usage only during the past couple of decades, I think, and I do not believe the meaning has bedded down very firmly.

The meanings of "Automobile" and "Car" have moved around a lot over the last one hundred and fifty years, but I have the sense that since, let us say, 1950, their meanings - at least in the English languages (including British English and American English) have remained relatively stable, and have thereby become the objects of a wider consensus. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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