Talk:Louis de Gonzague, Duke of Nevers
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editThere doesn't seem to be much consensus in English-language sources re the form of his name. I know that Sutherland and Knecht use the French version of his name (Louis de Gonzague, duc de Nevers), but see this search and also WP:UE. The only author I have who uses "Louis de Gonzague, Duke of Nevers" is Greengrass, France in the Age of Henri IV (1995), which is not even cited in the article. This search turns up more. Still it seems like an odd mix of English and French.The Dictionary of Art has even odder "Ludovico Gonzaga, duc de Nevers". --Robert.Allen (talk) 17:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- That search result has a lot of 19th century books in it which I think is counterproductive to our discussion.
- Let me deploy my library on this matter
- Salmon 1975 Louis de Gonzague
- Knecht 2014 Louis de Gonzague
- Jouanna 2007 Louis de Gonzague
- Sutherland 1962 Louis de Gonzague
- Harding 1978 Louis de Gonzague
- Roberts 2013 Louis de Gonzague
- Holt 2005 Louis de Gonzague
- Konnert 2006 Louis de Gonzague
- Roelker 1996 Louis de Gonzague
- Sovietblobfish (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- I am open to having it be Louis de Gonzague, duc de Nevers or Louis de Gonzague, duke of Nevers. Whichever you feel is more appropriate. Sovietblobfish (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- What I thought odd was mixing languages of the name and the title. However, there seem to be plenty of examples of this on the Wikipedia, e.g., Dukes of Montpensier, as well as in sources. I'm unsure whether the guidelines have anything to say about it, but there does seem to be a preference for keeping the titles in English. Personally I think I would prefer "Louis de Gonzague, duc de Nevers", but there will be other editors who will object. So the current title is probably the best choice after all. --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- I do tend to prefer keeping the whole title in French with my articles, but other editors have objected, as you say. So I think this is a good compromise. Glad we could work this out Sovietblobfish (talk) 20:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- What I thought odd was mixing languages of the name and the title. However, there seem to be plenty of examples of this on the Wikipedia, e.g., Dukes of Montpensier, as well as in sources. I'm unsure whether the guidelines have anything to say about it, but there does seem to be a preference for keeping the titles in English. Personally I think I would prefer "Louis de Gonzague, duc de Nevers", but there will be other editors who will object. So the current title is probably the best choice after all. --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- I am open to having it be Louis de Gonzague, duc de Nevers or Louis de Gonzague, duke of Nevers. Whichever you feel is more appropriate. Sovietblobfish (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)