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Former good article nomineeLucky Guy (play) was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 10, 2013.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that recently-deceased Nora Ephron's last play and Tom Hanks' (pictured) Broadway theatre debut, Lucky Guy, is, along with The Assembled Parties, The Testament of Mary and Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike, a 67th Tony Awards Best Play nominee?
Current status: Former good article nominee

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 10:21, 13 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

I will review.

General

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* No dablinks

  • Stable -

* No images. Not part of WP:WIAGA but an image of the Broadhurst Theatre could be added in the appropriate context.

Lead

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Background and composition

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  • I think this needs expansion, and more insight into the writing process. An article that says "The play is the final and posthumous work of Ephron, who died the year before its production" isn't telling the reader anything more than what they can infer. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
    • I have expanded this section as much as I could. However, unlike most works, the writer was not around to tell her story at the time when the public would be asking about it. I.e, once they could see that it was a likely and eventual Tony-nominee, she was already dead. Her writing process for this work is not likely extensively logged in the public domain.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Plot

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* "Mike McAlary" should just read "McAlary" per WP:LASTNAME

* Near-fatal 1993 car crash is unsourced

* "The second act of the play" - if it is, the first act probably wants to be explicitly mentioned too.

  • I think this section still needs improvement. The paragraph now starts "Mike McAlary, from 1985 to 1993, bounds from one New York City newsroom to another". As well as duplicating the WP:LASTNAME problem (albeit now in a different place), the text makes him sound like Superman. I think you just need to tone the language down a bit and explain things in a more neutral and factual manner. The section is now tagged as requiring expansion, and justifiably so. Have a look at She Has a Name, which is probably the closest GA I can find to this subject, for some ideas on what you can include. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Themes

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The quotations here are the opinions of the individual reviewers and should be attributed at such.

WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, at the moment it's a single paragraph section, which is discouraged. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Production history

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  • This section is quite short, and could probably be expanded. When did pre-production start? Do we know why the Broadhurst Theatre was chosen as the venue? Do we know why Tom Hanks specifically chose this play as his broadway debut? Most importantly, do we have any background into Ephron's writing of the play, and how it developed into production after her death. How much of it, if any, was she involved in?

* "Directed by George C. Wolfe, Tom Hanks starred as McAlary." sounds a bit confusing. Suggest "It was directed by George C. Wolfe, with Tom Hanks starring McAlary"

Critical review

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  • I'm not sure this section needs to be quite so long. Give a general summary of the critical reception, and include the most pertinent comments on all sides of opinion.

Awards and nominations

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The individual Tony awards need to be cited (just procedural this one as the LA Times article has got them all)

References

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* BroadwayWorld.com is a redlink

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* "official website" should be in caps

Review sheet

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  

I think it's mainly expanding on existing content that is the issue here. Looks all solvable within a week, so I'm putting this on hold for now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

  • I have expanded the article a bit. I am at a loss on how to fill out the plot any further. I am also not so sure I want to chop the critical review section. This just might not make it over the hump. If it will make a difference I would take a closer look at the critical review, but given my inability to find a good source on the plot I am not sure what I can do.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
I'll tell you what my gut feeling is, which is that there are good sources on this that haven't been written yet. It didn't run on Broadway for that long, all things considered, and these things need time to gain attention after the initial buzz, if it happens at all. If this transfers to the West End successfully with high critical acclaim, and gets picked up elsewhere, then writers and journalists will start to spot a demand for people to know the background, at which point we can cite it. I just feel that it isn't there yet. How would you feel about leaving this article as B class (it's a lot better than when I started the review, granted) and chalking it down to experience? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:00, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
B is fine.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Assessment

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Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Congratulations to TonyTheTiger, who improved this article greatly. I agree with the GA reviewier that, even once the Plot section is filled out that this won't be quite ready for GA class yet, but it will certainly be a good B-class article. Excellent research work! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:15, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Lead image

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Is there a theatre poster available for the lead image? Can we use this? -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Plot

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Latest comment: 11 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

The script for Lucky Guy is published in the collection of Ephron's works, titled The Most of Nora Ephron (Knopf published October 29, 2013, ISBN-10: 038535083X). See the amazon.com listing at [[2]]. Flami72 (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Are you going to get access to it?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
I will not buy it, but I have a request in at my local library, so I will get it, probably within the week/month, to have on loan for 3 (?) weeks. I'll try to re-write the plot based on the script, time permitting. (But I don't have the skill or temprament (SP?) to help get this to a GA otherwise!) Flami72 (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
Will Ssilvers have access to it?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
I know that you are not asking me, but I'll answer anyway--I do not know if Ssilvers will buy the book or if he can get it from his local library, but I'll guess that the book is readily available in most decent-sized libraries. (TTT, probably you can get it where you live.)Flami72 (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
I have no plans to get the script. Thank you, Flami, for being willing to do the plot synopsis. BTW, everyone, I do not watch this page, but I came over here because I saw that Tony pinged me. Happy editing, all! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:14, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
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Nominator: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Teratix (talk · contribs) 16:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply


I am quickfailing this article per QUICKFAIL (3), "has valid cleanup banners". The plot section has contained Template:Expand section since September 2013, and this appears a valid concern to me. – Teratix ₵ 16:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

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