Talk:Madrigal

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I have read this article and I am sorry to say that I do not feel very enlightened by it- inasmuch as I cannot grasp what it is about the madrigal style which sets it apart from other styles of singing. I hope someone can find a way of expressing this more clearly IceDragon64 18:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Please see the Wiktionary entry, which describes the later Madrigal form as polyphonic and for around six voices. This was more what I was expecting. IceDragon64 18:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I moved Monteverdi from Classic Madrigalists to Late Madrigalists -- there was no reason, based on chronology, that he should be grouped in with a bunch of high-Renaissance composers instead of the late-16th/early-17th century composers who are in the latter group. This was presumably a simple error in the first place. BluesEtude 18:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, obvious mistake. Thanks for fixing it. Antandrus (talk) 01:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I had to read this comment to know a madrigal is a song. This article is written for those who already know the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.15.67 (talk) 23:45, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

This article needs an introductory statement explaining what a madrigal actually is. Is it prose? Is it poetry? Is it a song? It starts with the assumption that the reader already knows what a madrigal is.--Wayne355 (talk) 16:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

It was vandalism several weeks ago that no one caught. I just fixed it. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 16:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

List of Composers

I feel like the list of composers section needs to be polished. Right now, it is not clear what the point is. Is it a list of all composers of madrigals? Is it a selection of significant composers of madrigals? What criteria were used to select these composers? I think if the editors of this article are clear on the criteria, we can mention them in the section header. We might also want to add some information for each composer, such as birth and death years, or years of madrigal composition. I can work on this. I just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts. - Geoffg (talk) 06:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Apparently it dates from the early days of the project; the initial author of the article put in a few names of what he thought the significant composers were in each chronological/geographical category. I think it would be better to lose the lists and weave the names into the text. A complete article would discuss the various stages of development of the madrigal, including regional varieties, with the significant names appearing in the appropriate place. Then we don't have to justify the selection (otherwise imagine the many hundreds of names we'd need to have in the list, of Italians alone!) Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you. It would be better to scrap the lists, and write a longer history section that mentions the significant composers. - Geoffg (talk) 18:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Explanation for why I deleted the external link marshall.charles.googlepages.com - English translations and recordings from the Fourth Book of Monteverdi's Madrigals

For an explanation of my decision to delete this external link, please see this Pasiphae discussion page which is just one example of the way Wikipedia is going. Charles Marshall --Charlesmarshall65 (talk) 18:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC) I love you! <3

etymology

Where does the word madrigal come from?--77.180.223.106 (talk) 22:56, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

The etymology section needs to be fixed, as it's definitely not universally agreed that the word comes from "song for the mother church." The Italian madrigale is of uncertain origin and may originate from from Venetian madregal, meaning "simple" or "ingenuous." 173.88.246.138 (talk) 11:37, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The meaning 'maternal' is sourced, from Cudden (1991), where it says, "madrigal (L matricalis, 'maternal' and so 'simple, primitive')", but "in service to the mother church", as the article claims, is not supported by that source and ought to be removed. Maybe other sources can be cited for a different etymology. Treccani is uncertain about its origin: madrigale; and it:Madrigale gives several speculations. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: both moved. Favonian (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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• Madrigal (music) → Madrigal
• Madrigal → Madrigal (disambiguation)

– WP:primary topic. Move was proposed (and seconded) here more than three years ago, no opposition since. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

• Agree with move, as I suggested in 2009 on the page you link. The musical form was the first and most widespread use of the word; the word entered the English language in the 16th century meaning precisely the musical form; everything else named "madrigal" came after that, and this complies with policy under this section of the article titles policy. Antandrus (talk) 17:18, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support per Antandrus' arguments; see also Wikt:madrigal. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support as vast majority of usage. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support as can be seen in a quick look at the disambiguation page. It's clear that all the other senses derive from this one. Mangoe (talk) 12:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support Kenojuak37 (Talk | Contribs) 21:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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