Talk:Malay trade and creole languages

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BABA MALAY DIALECT TAN CHEE-BENG Journal of the Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society Vol. 53, No. 1 (237) (1980), pp. 150-166 Published by: Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41493568 Page Count: 17

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While many of the speech types mentioned in this article have loan words from European languages (Dutch language and Portugese language) in particular, sources such as these [1][2] indicate that (for example) Kupang Malay and Larantuka Malay are over 80% cognate with Indonesian and no mention is made of a creolized grammatical structure. スキャンダルの家 (House of Scandal) 06:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Name of the page

It occurs to me that those languages are indeed contact languages, and do differ from Std Malay/Indonesian. Yet I am not convinced that they are creole languages. Maybe another title for the page can be found 80.61.183.71 14:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

How about "Malay dialects"? Meursault2004 (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

...AND modify the text accordingly? Good idea. House of Scandal (talk) 00:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

...I wouldn't even mind seeing it deleted all together. It seems to be primarily unreferenced, inaccurate, original research. House of Scandal (talk) 00:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I can help in finding references for this article and expanding this article. So the name change will be justified if it will be changed after all. I've done some quick facts checking on ethnologue.com and indeed ethnologue classifies some if not all of the languages mentioned in this list as creoles. What this article needs is indeed more clarifications and other sources besides ethnologue. Needless to say, you're right though that this article is primarily unreferenced and somewhat inaccurate. However it doesn't contain much original research. Meursault2004 (talk) 02:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Bazaar Malay

Some mention should be made of usage of the term "Bazaar Malay" (Melayu Pasar) which links here. This article uses the term and decribes the language and its use a bit but the Ethnologue entry on Malay implies it is a generic term for Malay creoles and/or pidgins ("Bazaar Malay [Low Malay, Pasar Malay, Pasir Malay, Trade Malay]. 'Bazaar Malay' is used to refer to many regional nonstandard dialects."). — AjaxSmack 00:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Betawi

should we move Betawi section completely to Betawi language? we can leave a few words to describe it, then give a link to main article (Betawi language). w_tanoto (talk) 01:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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