Talk:Mall of America

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"the mall receives 40 million visitors annually while the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro only receives 18 million visitors each year" -- this makes no sense. The Mall of America is in the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area, so the people visiting the mall are a subset of visitors to the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area. There's no way that a super-set can be smaller than one of its components. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.28 (talk) 19:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Meetup

October 29, 2006 Wikipedia Minnesota Meetup location

Size

"Second-largest" prompts the obvious question. Michael Hardy 00:39 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

West Edmonton Mall in Edmonton, Alberta.

Built by the same group of entrepreneurs, I believe. Michael Hardy 02:20 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

And it's just had the zoning approved for another expansion, so don't any of you think of trying to beat us, either. :) Bryan

Any reliable intelligence on what that expansion will be? I've heard rumors for years. It's never just "more stores". I've heard that apartments will be attached, so that you can live at the MegaMall. I've also heard that it will have a water park. I'll believe it when I see it with my own eyes. - Eisnel 11:39, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

BTW, to all you Twin Cities folk: Does everyone call it "The MegaMall"? If so, that might be a neat tidbit to include. =o) - Eisnel

Yes, we do call it the Megamall. it's a fairly common turn of phrase. The_Shaggy_One

We do call it the Megamall, that's for sure. But, contrary to the claims of this article, when I say I'm going to the mall, I usually mean Ridgedale. I've found that most people who don't live in the bloomington area (i.e.: those with convienent access to the '-dales', Eden Prarie Center, Nicollet Mall, etc.) avoid MOA for most shopping outings. Lekoman 02:52, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I'll second this. When I was living in Minneapolis, "The Mall" was ambiguous. It usually mean the MOA, but often refered to Rosedale as well. If one was specifically refering to MOA, "Megamall" seemed to be the most common slange. -- Kaszeta 13:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Although "megamall" is still being used by a very few. The new cool slang that is being used is just "MOA". Megamall is just too 90's, by now, everyone in Minnesota knows it's big. And after going to it countless times, the Megamall just doesn't seem to Mega anymore. Therefore, Going to the MOA is a more common term. So to answer your question, no everyone does not call it the megamall. January 2006

• WCCO radio reporters used the term "Megamall" in early January when they reported the renaming of Camp Snoopy. Wahkeenah 05:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Reporters may use megamall, but amongst my peers, I agree that moa is used alot more. "Megamall" is too cheesy. Maybe its that generation Y'ers are using moa more, and baby boomers are using "megamall". January 25 2006

• Moa is an extinct bird, which is ironic considering that the Wall Street Journal writer a couple of years referred to the MOA as a "dinosaur". So, do you pronounce it "M-O-A", or do you say "MOW-AH" like the bird? Or like a "New Yawkuh" trying to say "More", as in "Mega"? :) Wahkeenah 07:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I say it as "M-O-A", and most people around here seem to do the same. shaggy 19:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. "Mo-ah" is faster. They could rename their fish petting zoo "MoA's Ark". Wahkeenah 23:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• That's creative name! Perhaps you should suggest it for their petting area. 29 January 2006

• I think people would still call it M-O-A's Ark. 30 January 30 3006 Mall Lover

• I cannot find any information on the exact foot print of the building and/or parking. How much actual land area does this facility take? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.20.27.13 (talk) 17:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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For the phase II concept, I highly doubt they will have a waterpark inside of it. Across the street, the brand new Waterpark of America (not associated with the mall) is being built. The Waterpark of America is also being built with a hotel. Therefore, taking away any chances that the Mall of America will build their own waterpark. February 08 2006 Mineeesota

• Not true. Plans submitted in May 2006 show a water park. See [1] for details. --Steve Peterson 02:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

West Edmington Mall references removed (Edmington... where's that?)

I removed all of the insulting language here, which was well, EVERYTHING written here. If someone is going to edit an article, then EDIT it. This is NOT the place to bandy about insults. If you see a problem, (Which in this case was the misspelling of the word "Edmonton") Then FIX IT WITHOUT ADDING COMMENTARY LIKE "AMERICAN SCHOOLS DON'T TEACH".

Do we really need so many editors with a Quatloo complex? WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A CLIQUE! the mall of america has 300 stores Osirisrising (talk) 18:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Edmington is in Alberto, Canadia. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Rollercoaster Accident?

Wasn't there a rollercoaste accident on a coaster in Mall of America? I might be confused with another mall but I know there was one in the 80s that derailed and killed some people. Does anyone know any insight into what I have described? - Thanks --x1987x 17:28, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Gee, nevermind. [[2]] Mindbender coaster in the West Edmonton Mall. hehe.

I don't recall any rollercoaster accidents, but the "Mighty Axe" has had quite a few incidents in which is has gotten stuck upside down with riders on it (apparently it has a safety brake that kicked in). This happened at least three times between it's intro and 2001 when I left the area. -- Kaszeta 13:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Two people have died in the Mall of Americ's Camp Snoopy, both young boys. One was a suicide, and he jumped from the Log Ride, the other I'm unsure of the exact location, there are memorials to both boys in the camp.

Updated info

With the exception of Hooters, all the bars, restaurants, and nightclubs on the 4th floor have closed down. Jillians (who owned just about every club on the floor) had declared bankruptcy last year, so they were on thin ice financially as it was, and the new law in Hennepin County which included bars in the state's public smoking ban nailed Jillians' coffin shut. So now all that's on the 4th floor is Hooters and AMC. EmiOfBrie 07:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I was just up there a couple days ago and noticed all the night club windows had black plastic over them, but there are still large conference rooms in use.

Actual Size

According to this website, information regarding the King of Prussia Mall, Mall of America, and Woodfield Mall is incorrect. Perhaps we should check this information and update accordingly? Ajwebb 18:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Camp Snoopy

The MOA lost rights to use the Peanuts franchise recently. It's been temporarily renamed "The Park at MOA". This section should be re-written from scratch shaggy 07:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

• So, what's stopping you? Wahkeenah 08:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Source needed.

I removed this unsourced assertion:

A few years ago a Wall Street Journal writer described the style of the MOA as a "stegosaurus," although it remains a popular attraction.

Feel free to replace when sourced. —Encephalon 06:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

"Formerly contained the restaurants..."

Could Minnesota Picnic be added to this list? Chris 23:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Please add a section on the rumored 'secrets of the mall of america' aka 'the darkside of the megamall', like the tunnels, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.59.55 (talk • contribs)

• Feel free to do some research and add the info to the article. Wahkeenah 03:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Original research

Overall I think that this is a really good article, but I've placed an "original research" tag on it since it seems to make a lot of unsourced assertions. Can we please find some more references to show where the information is coming from, and to prove notability? I'm not saying that the mall isn't famous -- just that right now this article is way way outside of WP:V. --Elonka 18:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It needs footnotes (so do a lot of articles), but it's very far from original research, which is a very specific concept. As such, I've removed the tag as inappropriate. Rebecca 23:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Most visited mall innacurate?

I was reading about the Ala Moana Center in Hawaii on wikipedia, and it stated that the Ala Moana Center gets 56 million visitors annually...

Dinosaur Walk Museum

We were at MOA last night and the Dinosaur Walk museum was closed and shuttered. A few weeks ago it was still open. Anyone know what's up with that area? I'm still lamenting the closing of Golf Mountain... --Rehcsif 21:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Section Merge

Should we merge the Square Footage / square metrage and Anchors section since most mall articles have the square feet after the anchor. Ex.

• Wal-Mart(100,000 Square Feet)

Metallic95 User Page | Talk 04:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Operation hours

Just curious, does the mall of america ever close? If it does close, than how does it stay warm because from what I understand, the light fixtures and heat from the people walking inside the mall are the only heaters for the building.

In Minnesota we've learned how to build efficient buildings that lose very little heat and capture maximum daylight during the day. The Mall hours change regularly of course but stores generally close around 9pm. The building stays unlocked usually until midnight. It use to open until 2am on most nights because of the fourth level bars. Still, there is so much building mass, electrical components, and ambient lighting during the eight hours of being closed that it is unlikely to ever freeze. With the raw cubic feet of the mall as well, the air would take many days before it would become freezing. Much of the building shell is buffered by service hallways and in turn is buffered by stores. So the interior air of the walkways and Camp Snoopy is well insulated. 75.72.162.175 07:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

From the way the Mall's about page is written (http://www.mallofamerica.com/about/community) the primary heat source for the mall is solar heat, with the electric appliances making up any difference when people aren't in there. My understanding is the HVAC system has to run in cool mode (which could mean simply sucking cold outside air in) even on the coldest day of winter when the mall is occupied with the general public. P38fln (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Someone took off my part in the article...WHY?

I wrote about the rides, thrill, family, kiddie, and I don't know why its gone now. What happened? --Gamekid 01:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

A wiki encyclopedic article is pretty dry, factual, etc. It's not a place to hurrah or emotionally discuss how much the mall rocks. .:DavuMaya:. 15:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Additions

This article info should get sourced in http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/realestate/commercial/08mall.html?n=Top/News/Business/Companies/Simon%20Property%20Group,%20Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davumaya (talk • contribs) 17:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

retail space

Our article on Woodfield Mall says that it is the third largest in terms of retail space. So one of the articles is wrong. john k (talk) 07:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Spam

The recent attempts by IP addresses, to post a reference to some book and video, look like "coatrack" attempts to post spam, i.e. to try to sell a product. Note the POV wording and that the thrust of the paragraph is not actually about the MOA, but about the author's attempt to sell something. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 10:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

No Heating Citation

The cited source ([3]) says:

During the winter months, when temperatures in Minneapolis rarely climb about freezing, it remains warm inside the mall, even without a heating system. "Can you imagine a building this large, in the state of Minnesota, is not heated, even in January and February!" spokesman Daniel Jasper exclaims. "We heat the mall through our skylights and through body heat of all of our customers and light bulbs. Believe it or not! We don't have a central furnace."

I'm reverting the recent edit removing this and removing the failed verification tag. A separate source can be found for the Air conditioning claim. shaggy (talk) 01:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes you reverted the air conditioning sentence which I removed, not the heating sentence. The reason is, I believe it is hear say and not an actual definitive fact. I think it's been propagated here for so long and no one has bothered to remove it. In doing a google search, all I find are other wiki-like websites that have copied the sentence verbatim. I don't believe this is an actual fact, there is no primary source for it. Most likely if the mall was hot during the winter, they'd just circulate outside air (duh). I don't understand why air conditioning would need to be used if outside air is chilly. I'm asking for Consensus to remove the sentence altogether. .:davumaya:. 03:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Here you go - official, from the mall of america itself - "No central heating system"

http://www.mallofamerica.com/about/community P38fln (talk) 00:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

If someone gets real desparate, they could maybe contact the Mall and find out. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Generally, you don't delete information just because you feel it isn't right. Give someone time to do the research and find a proper source, within a reasonable time. Finding the required information might take longer than 40 hours. shaggy (talk) 05:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The information was added a long time ago, see this edit in 2005 [4]. In three years and dozens of editors the air conditioning fact still has not been resolved, I doubt another few days will do anything more. It's become a myth. .:davumaya:. 14:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The information comes from a presentation on The History Channel. I can neither remember the show nor the date, but it has been some time since I have seen it. 4 June 09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.14.232.100 (talk) 09:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's a similar citation from WCCO [5] which has a notable disclaimer - the individual stores DO have heating. It's the common areas of the mall that lack a heating system. That changes the picture considerably. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 10:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Notable attractions

I removed non-notable attractions at MOA that appeared to be thinly veiled linkspam. --75.161.191.93 (talk) 03:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• American Girl Boutique and Bistro (Opened November 2008)
• Mall of America Concert Pavilion
• Moose Mountain 18-hole miniature golf course.
• The River Church at Mall of America
• Wedding chapel (called Chapel of Love) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.191.93 (talk) 03:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

i love mall of america cause it is fun to me im gowining may the15 i hope thay seve use stuff like food and dinner cuse im not gitining up its gone take use two days to get there im gone be sleep you here me but im gone get on the rids watch me thoy it just watch me your see me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.195.72 (talk) 22:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The above serves as a testatment to our modern educational system. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 10:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Crime Statistics

Request: I'd like to see a section covering the history of crime in the Mall during the earlier years of the its history. 75.72.53.191 (talk) 22:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Well then write it, you lazy ass. 86.45.83.23 (talk) 04:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I work at the Mall of america and we are pretty convinced that there is the ghost of a young girl that visits our store every day or two. Does anyone know if there was ever a suspected kidnapping of a girl from the mall that may have been murdered?

i wouldnt say that i was gonna go but not any more im scared —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.202.142 (talk) 04:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it's haunted by a host of ghosts of stores that went bust. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

american girl

american girl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.84.208 (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what your saying, but it's there.--99 time 14:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockers99 (talk • contribs)

Replace the Infobox building with Infobox shopping mall

I noticed this article is using Template:Infobox building, and thought I'd suggest that it might be helpful to replace that with Template:Infobox shopping mall (currently used in ~2400 articles, eg. West Edmonton Mall). If there are parameters that are missing, then it might be helpful to improve the infobox, so that all shopping centers can benefit. Cheers. :) –Quiddity (talk) 01:23, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. Ruby 2010/2013 19:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

New logo of Russian Armed Forces is the old logo of Mall of America. (in russian): http://rufabula.com/news/2014/06/22/army-logo

--Luch4 (talk) 06:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Main Anchor Stores

This page is about a mall, and while many of the mall's attractions are mentioned, there is no mention of what the five main anchor stores are. This should be included in an article about a mall. Perhaps somebody who is familiar with this mall could add this information. I would do it, but mall directories (the only source of information I have since I am not familiar with the mall and do not live in the area) are not always accurate, and they do not list former anchors which may have closed, changed hands, or new anchors which may have been added since the mall opened.Cascade1988 (talk) 16:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)Cascade1988

What's past is past

It is absurd to have an article in Wikipedia in 2015 that says something is planned for 2007, and there "will be" this that and the other thing. There are a lot of statements of this sort in this article. I suspect it would be best to rewrite the whole thing much more succinctly and to leave out, as far as possible, any assertions that are unlikely still to be true a year or two down the road. --Rosharuo (talk) 05:56, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to update it. I often find myself updating articles that refer to future events years in the past. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Google Street View

I just checked and the interiors mentioned as being featured on Google Street View no longer appear to be available (I just checked and other than old images taken in the parking lot and a handful of panoramic photographs there is no "street view"-style feature). This should be removed or updated. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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Is the mall actually the largest?

Some say the King of Prussia Mall is larger and so we need to decide. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 22:45, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I have noticed an edit war seems to be going on regarding this fact so we should find a source to verify the size of the mall compared to King of Prussia. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 14:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Whatever mall is the largest, edits should use "As of" and a date. (And citations, of course.) Mall sizes change from time to time, and editors won't always update the articles as expansion projects are completed. SlowJog (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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This article is off to a great start, but needs work with references. RyguyMN 04:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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Why is it so big?

Why does a fairly small city have the largest mall in the US? How is there the demand for such a large mall? Do millions of people from elsewhere shop there? Jim Michael (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

For one, it is in a Metro area. Bloomington borders Minneapolis. For another, when it was first proposed, developers planned on it being a tourist attraction. SlowJog (talk) 02:07, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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Undid revision 900219479 by 141.156.187.235 (talk) "detail" removed.

There is no reason to indicate that the attacked was "black" and the victim was caucasian. There is nothing to suggest the attack was racially motivated. FrunkSpace (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Q: fiscal?

Howard from NYC (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Q: what about annual sales? rental fees? fiscal issues including operational costs? occupancy? vacancy?

These are all great questions but the Mall of America is owned by a private company so these figures are not typically disclosed. JayJay^{What did I do?} 19:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Plants and Animals

MOA distributes over 100,000 lady bugs a year throughout the mall. This allows for biological control as the aphids are attracted to jasmine shrubs and Abicolas. Self-pollinating fruit trees. Over 30,000 live plants on property 2603:6011:A807:2454:F452:8558:DB3E:1444 (talk) 00:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Conflicting claims with American Dream article

Both this article and the American Dream article claim their mall to be the largest in the country. It looks like the American Dream's total retail space is bigger, but the Mall of America has a larger total size. Should this change to second-largest? Winter the Mute (talk) 03:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)