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August the 24th, removed marbellainfo.com - commercial content.

October the 14th, removed marbella.to - commercial content.

2007, January the 10th, removed balleo.com and puerto-banus.net - commercial content. Removed marbella.com - commercial content.

2007, January the 16th, removed andalucia.com - commercial content.

Removed marbellainfo.com advertising, commercial conten.

Removed viva-malaga.com commercial content.

June 18 2007 removed Marbella info - commercial content.

October 2007 removed many marbellainfo, marbella.com and marbellapoker commercial advertising. Enough guys! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.127.14.10 (talk) 19:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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March 2008 removed marbellas.com spam (note the s) - commercial content

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Intro

I removed "upmarket" so it now reads simply "city". Was a pretty absurd thing to say, whether it's true or not it's totally subjective. Unusual Cheese 23:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

some1 needs to sort out the first pictures on the page, as they are covering the text behind them......... --Nick4009 20:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

First Picture!!!!

That first picture of some palm trees etc... block the text behind it....cant't someone fix it?????????

--Nick4009 20:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Official !?

Please note marbella.com is NOT an official site of Marbella - the domain was bought many years ago and used by 'mcom Properties' a real estate company.

The flag

Marbella not have a flag, the blue and white flag was the vote in the government of Marbella, but was not approved Juan Gurro

Style

This article reads like one person's account of change if Marbella and their dis-like of it, words like us can't and shouldn't be use.ed 86.43.82.13 (talk) 12:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Answer: The article about the city of Marbella, it is almost perfect, with sufficient information to anyone reading, if you think that words are not being properly used, please make a change.User:Louis Du Pasquier —Preceding comment was added at 23:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply: The version you introduced is problematic. It reads like a travelogue and personal essay about the city and not as a encyclopedia article. Furthermore, the material was copied from another website. (See this. Regards, Whpq (talk) 02:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Sentence fragment

I have removed the following sentence fragment from the end of the Notable residents section. It should be corrected then restored. David spector (talk) 23:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Fulgencio Batista Dictator of Cuba who was overthrown in 1959 by Fidel Castro

Salduba or Saiduba?

The History section states: "In Roman times, the city was called 'Salduba.'" There are sources that state that the archaic name was actually Saiduba. Which is it? David spector (talk) 23:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

"nearly every year between 1985 and 1987"

Is that an editor's little joke? Varlaam (talk) 16:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

For some strange reason, an unregistered user keeps making unnecessary and incorrect punctuational or grammatical adjustments to this trivial "fact". If you have better information, please edit. Carlstak (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The bane of our existence, eh?

I have no specific knowledge of this. But clearly that sentence is absurd.

Good luck! Varlaam (talk) 01:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Arabic misspelling

This phrase, Marbal · la (مربلة), makes a point about the double L in English, and therefore in Arabic.
But the Arabic has no doubling sign over the lam.
What gives, eh? Varlaam (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

You read Arabic, eh? Please edit with correction, if you feel confident. Carlstak (talk) 18:26, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I taught myself as an exercise in the summer of 1991. It is far trickier than any alphabet should be, but it is useful. There are spelling rules that mystify many Arabs, much less you and I. You have letters you use every day which are not listed in the alphabet.

But you expand the alphabet a little bit, you have Persian; a little more, you have Urdu.

Whoever pinched this bit of text pinched it sans important diacritic.

It now reads "mrbl / ta marbuta". Ok so far – believe it or not – but it needs a 2nd L.

I don't know how to do diacritics.

The word Allah uses it, so maybe we can borrow it from God.

(Pray that He shall not smite me.)

Varlaam (talk) 01:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Is this better? مربيلة مربل Carlstak (talk) 03:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

My glasses fell in the ocean, eh, when I was sideswiped by a giant wave while talking politics with an American.

I haven't had a chance to redo the lenses.

So I copy your character string to Wordpad and blow it up to 48pt ...

And weird.

It sort of reads Marbella twice: mrbyl / ta marbuta / mrbl

but the first pass uses the long vowel, while the second has the short vowel and no final A.

Modern and historical names? I wouldn't care to speculate.

About our dear friend, the ta marbuta:

It's basically a T superimposed on an H, and you are going to pronounce it like a what? ... an A!

Sure. And in the context of Arabic grammar, that's ... reasonable. (Avoiding further discussion...) It's like Chinese characters. Why so complicated? Well, study the language and it will become clear.

This is why when someone points out that "knight" begins with a silent 'k', how come?, you say, "Hey, look it, it's not like other languages aren't crazy too."

"And that silent 'k' is pronounced in Middle English and it's cognate with the German word Knecht, so quit buggin' me!"

And, of course, Spanish and French speakers are both worse spellers than English speakers.

Varlaam (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

P.S.

Our long vowel spelling.

We know it's long; we don't know which long it is.

I had assumed it was the long version of the short. But when you assume, you make an ass of you and me. (The Odd Couple)

It could be a diphthong, representing the Castilian Spanish pronunciation of e, but that's not right either because it isn't mimicking the Castilian ll pronunciation, not precisely anyway.

(I was taught Castilian in school but switched to Mexican years ago.)

But we're in Andalusia, not Castile. Maybe that's phonetic Andalusian Spanish, rendered in Arabic? Hmm, interesting. Way over my head.

Varlaam (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and when I wrote "no final A" above, there could still be an 'a' there, but it would be short, and rendered oddly for this context.

The Joy of Arabic, a gift that keeps on giving.

You don't need to write the 'a' because "you know it's there".

Varlaam (talk)

Back to Plan A.

Plan A was, when time allows, pay a call on Allah and borrow the letter.

"The best laid plans ..." (Steinbeck. No. Shakespeare!)

I had forgotten that Allah uses two diacritics, the common one, and a rare one, and they are on the same letter.

Can this language get any better? Oh, yeah, it has lots of other inducements to completely avoid it.

So, the lead sentence of Allah does not spell the word. It uses this, [الله], which is unitary. Can't extract a letter.

Oh, man.

But further down the page, it is spelled out.

Which gives us this: اللّٰه

Then we break it into letters, getting this: ا ل لّٰ ه

And the two diacritics are joined and cannot be separated.

This language is a treat.

Plan B ...

Varlaam (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, Varlaam. Since nothing is resolved, and this is the only transcription I've tried that Google Translate renders as "Marbella", I'm going with it until an authority weighs in: ماربيا Carlstak (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Another authority, you meant to say. I have been reading this script for over 20 years, and I did use it when I was last in China, a country with a large Muslim minority, the Hui.

Well, it's not wrong so much as it is less than fully correct.

And while the WP article on the diacritic does agree with me that this is the diacritic that you actually see and use, I haven't found other examples around that do use it.

But, again, this is the totally imprecise "cuz you know it's there" aspect of Arabic.

Arabic is pronounced as Italian is, where single and double consonants are pronounced differently and can be contrastive in specific cases.

So if the point is that the original Arabic used a doubled consonant, pronounced twice with a closed initial syllable, which then evolved into the Spanish ll, then the Arabic, as we currently show it, does not indicate that.

Due to my researches of the past day, it is a better representation than I had originally thought.

I haven't found a letter I can use over in Arabic WP either, and I haven't determined how to generate the necessary character. I had assumed it was done through a simple superscript. But it's not. And if there is a table around showing every possible variant character, as is normal with Hindi for example, then I haven't found it.

By all means, go with what we've got.

It's legit as far as it goes. Varlaam (talk) 15:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your time, and the entertainment, Varlaam.;-) Carlstak (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Recent additions of "Citation needed" tags to the Marbella article

I've invested a lot of time translating text from the Marbella article at Spanish Wikipedia into English, and in making many subsequent edits to the Marbella article, including adding sources.

Any help I could get from fellow Wikipedians in finding citations would be much appreciated. The Spanish article has Spanish-language sources that can be added to the English one.

Gracias. Carlstak (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

hi, thanks for adding citations. this article needs a lot more work for referencing. I will try to add some references too. LibStar (talk) 06:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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