Talk:Marimar (2007 TV series)

TV Ratings

mga tanga kayo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.87.218 (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

daily ratings? I think this is too much.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.89.200 (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It's taking too much space for this article. TJ Reyes 01:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

i thinks it's ok to put the daily ratings so as to see the development of the show and how viewers respond to the show itself. a lot of space is available and the daily ratings won't hurt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.87.219 (talk) 03:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a TV Guide. Read this. Many articles has been deleted and re-created because of this. If you want to find out about the development of a show, go buy a TV guide or read a newspaper or tabloid. Wikipedia is not a message board. Read this. If you want to find out how viewers respond to the show, go to any message board. "Wikipedia is not a place to publish your own thoughts and analyses or to publish new information not previously published." TJ Reyes 23:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

This is getting stupid. A daily ratings log for a 5x-a-week TV show is inappropriate for an ENCYCLOPEDIA. You can use all of the analyses from PEP.ph but don't add TV ratings. Perhaps monthly ratings will do, or pointing out the highest, lowest ratings, when they plateaued and went down, etc. --Howard the Duck 15:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

TV ratings, part 2

User:Kurtzalberg has been adding an episode list log without discussion. Although he/she posted on my page, s/he didn't bother to read my reply, or even read my edit summaries... so what's the reason? --Howard the Duck 16:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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Cast and characters

I think the cast is getting long. Wikipedia is not the IMDb. --Howard the Duck 11:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Esmeralda?? There is no Esmeralda the fortune teller in the original Marimar. There is, however, a character named 'Selva,' who was Marimar's mother's friend(?) She gave Gustavo Aldama's address in the capital before Marimar left San Martin dela Costa, though Padre Porres already had arrangements for Marimar to work for the Aldamas, not knowing they were her family. Marimar never showed Padre the paper that Selva gave her.Doctorqui (talk) 07:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You're talking about Marimar (Mexican TV series). --Howard the Duck 01:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Because that's what I am trying to correct in the article. The article contends that, "Esmeralda appears in the original story in the beginning as a seer and a bar owner by the sea, she foretold and gave Marimar the address of her long-lost father (at that time she didn't know)." This is incorrect. There is no 'Esmeralda' in the original, only 'Selva,' who works as a fortune-teller on the playa and gave marimar Don Aldama's address.

According to the article, in the original series, Angelica's baby was Nicandro's because he raped her, and Angelica killed him. This is also incorrect. In the original, Angelica's baby was really Renato's -- not Nicandro's. Nicandro attempted to rape Angelica when she was already pregnant. Renato killed Nicandro, witnessing the attempt. Hounded by the police, Renato fled San Martin. Angelica followed him to the capitolio after the birth of their baby.Doctorqui (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2001 (UTC)gago wala akog lam jan bas ta wala akong alamjan

Large unexplained deletion

I am not necessarily endorsing the 35K version of this page, but I don't see any evidence that the deletion of most of the non-plot sections was ever talked about anywhere before it happened. So I reverted it. I will put this on my watchlist so I can keep abreast of any further comments. == Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 00:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 20 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved to Marimar (2007 TV series). Everyone was in agreement on "Marimar" and the arguments in favour of "(2007 TV series)" are stronger because they follow the relevant naming convention. Jenks24 (talk) 16:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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MariMar (Philippines TV series) → Marimar (Philippine telenovela) – Marimar is a name. The only source used to support the current title is contradictory, since IMDB the title is "Marimar" that is correct. Also it is a remake of the telenovela of 1994. And all the names are in Spanish not in filipino. Philip J Fry • (talk) 00:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 23:59, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

• Support no justification for Camelcase despite graphic. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:57, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support - there is the currently Philippine telenovela became 2nd remake telenovela seen there sources newspaper from 7 years, I don't think was understand this telenovela will agree in GMA Network. Oripaypaykim (talk) 14:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support – rename this title to MariMar (2007 Philippine telenovela) Marimar (2007 TV series) per request by User:Howard the Duck and User:AussieLegend below. In order to not confuse with the upcoming 2015 series will also be aired in the Philippines, just similar with two same titles: Darna (2005 TV series) and Darna (2009 TV series). ApprenticeFan ^work 23:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
• Question: I'd support a move to an article that spells it as "Marimar", but why can't we use "(Philippine TV series)" instead of "(Philippine telenovela)"? –HTD 19:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Howard the Duck:, "Marimar" is a name that comes from Mexico and this telenovela Philippines based on which was made in 1994, therefore they should respect the title. Put the title as "Marimar (Philippine telenovela)" is more correct, since it's a telenovela, not a TV series. It is to differentiate. In any case the article has category related to articles of telenovelas, only GMA Network also produces telenovelas.--Philip J Fry • (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
    • Isn't a telenovela a subgenre of TV series? Doesn't ABS-CBN make telenovelas too? We don't use subsets of disambiguators unless you need further disambiguation; therefore, if there was a baseball player named Kobe Bryant that plays shortstop, it should be at Kobe Bryant (baseball), not Kobe Bryant (shortstop), unless there's another baseball player named Kobe Bryant. –HTD 10:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
      • @Howard the Duck: I think Yes, but when they try to telenovela, it should be used as I suggested, for example you can see these articles: Lo imperdonable (2015 telenovela), Pasión y poder (2015 telenovela), Los miserables (2014 telenovela) and Marimar (Mexican telenovela). Used "telenovela" to difference of TV series since both are not the same. In certain ways without, but telenovelas are broadcast daily, changes in television series are issued once for weeks or months, for example The Walking Dead.--Philip J Fry • (talk) 12:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
        • I know the difference between telenovelas and other TV series isn't exactly limited to how many times a week it is aired, but other articles about TV series that need to be disamiguated that did air daily such as Another World (TV series) still used "TV series" disambiguator. Our article on Television program doesn't make a distinction between TV series that aired daily or weekly: they're all still TV series, the same away our fictional Kobe Bryant shortstop is still a baseball player. I see that Maria la del Barrio (Philippine telenovela) has been moved to that disambiguator just a couple of days ago (not by you, though), so perhaps I'm asking for guidance on WP:TV on what's the proper way of disambiguating, as AFAIK, TV shows that are serialized are disambiguated as "TV series" whether it is aired weekly or daily, or if it's sappy, melodramatic, action-packed, American, Mexican, British, or whatever; Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)#Episodic television agrees: "When disambiguation is required, use (TV series)". Of course we do it differently if it's not episodic such as news, talk and public affairs programs. –HTD 15:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
          • That is well and not so argue, but whether it's a telenovela, the more correct is to use the disambiguation the term "telenovela". Or if not then so there are categories such as "Category:2015 telenovelas", "Mexican telenovelas" and Category:Spanish-language American telenovelas?. Then it would be a loss of time that there are these categories when not used proper disambiguation.--Philip J Fry • (talk) 16:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
            • This shouldn't be a problem. This isn't a problem for athletes or musicians (would it be "(keyboardist)" or "(musician)"?). No one's gonna be confused to see the "TV series" disambiguator in Category:Foo telenovelas, the same reason people won't be confused on seeing "footballer" diaambiguator in Category:Association football midfielders. We don't even subclassify to genre (or playing position), as it's almost always year (like "1980 TV series" and "cricketer, born 1974"). –HTD 18:09, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
              • Yes, but that has nothing to do, the more correct is to use "telenovela" to better describe the article as it has been done for several years in different wikipedias. "TV series" and "telenovelas" are two completely different things. Even if they have a relationship and some pages websites describe it as such, since I contribute on Wikipedia always has been used in the disambiguation "telenovelas" to describe. For example "Marimar is a Philippine telenovela", the title must be according to the introduction of the article. For the articles of "telenovelas" always has been used that way.--Philip J Fry • (talk) 18:48, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
                • "More correct" means neither is wrong, and since vast practice elsewhere both in the TV Wikiproject and other Wikiprojects, and by almost all people except for you and perhaps a handful(?) of users, is to disambiguate them as "TV series". They could still very well be "telenovelas", but they'd be disambiguated as "TV series", which is correct, as telenovelas are a subset of TV series.
                • If you insist on using "telenovela", I'd have to oppose this RM. This might take the discussion elsewhere, so I'll see where that goes. –HTD 18:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
                  • The way in which I'm saying so it is better, so the readers and other users are not confused, for example here you have this case: "Wild at Heart (TV series)" and "Wild at Heart (telenovela)".--Philip J Fry • (talk) 18:58, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
                    • I suppose the proper way of disambiguating Wild at Heart (telenovela) is either "Wild at Heart (2013 TV series) or Wild at Heart (Mexican TV series). Either way, these cases are a dime a dozen, where more specific disambiguation is needed. When there's no need for a second-level disambiguation, "(TV series)" should suffice. –HTD 19:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
• Note: The people at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television had been notified of this discussion. –HTD 19:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose move to "Marimar (Philippine telenovela)" and support move to "Marimar (2007 TV series)" as per long-standing practice, and more importantly as per WP:NCTV, of using "(TV series)" as disambiguators instead of "(<genre>)". The supports above might as well be right on removing the CamelCase, but run against the naming conventions of WP:TV. Might as well support the move of MariMar (2015 telenovela) to Marimar (2015 TV series) while we're at it. –HTD 20:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose Despite the arguments above, which have actually been discussed previously, telenovelas are still television series and we should be following the naming convention. This means that the article should be at Marimar (2007 TV series). --AussieLegend (✉) 20:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose current requested move, Support Howard the Duck and AussieLegend's suggestions to move to Marimar (2007 TV series). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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