Talk:Mass sexual assault/Archive 1

Archive 1

How about a definition

I understand the need to create this page but in order to make a good Wiki we need some basic things like at least one definition of mass sexual assault. That's currently missing from the page.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Including references that actually call these events "mass sexual assaults"

Remember that Wikipedia is not a place for original research so the only way that an event can be included on this page is if it's called a "mass sexual assault" by a Reliable Source.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

It does not have to be strictly called "mass sexual assault". One can find plenty of sources that refer to the listed events as "collective" or "group" sexual assaults. Al-Andalusi (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

No, they do have to be called "mass sexual assualts" in order to be on this page. Wikipedia editors can't define things by themselves they can only record what has already been found. There is no original research on wikipedia. You have created this page and it's necessary now to describe what is the intellectual history of this term ("mass sexual assualt"). If it was invented in the wake of the Germany attacks that's fine but it has to be made clear on this page.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 16:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

No, see policy WP:NOT#DICT: "Encyclopedia articles are about a person, or a group, a concept, a place, a thing, an event, etc. In some cases, a word or phrase itself may be an encyclopedic subject, such as Macedonia (terminology) or truthiness." This article is about the notion defined in its lead, not about the term used in its title. Oliv0 (talk) 07:09, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Title change

As seen with this link, Apokrif changed the article from "Mass sexual assault" to "Mass sexual assault of women by men." I understand being WP:Precise, but, unless there are reliable sources noting cases of women committing mass sexual assault, I don't think that the title change is necessary. In fact, if there are reliable sources noting cases of women committing mass sexual assault, the title should remain "Mass sexual assault" and the new content should go in the article. SlimVirgin and Drmies, I see you in this article's small edit history. Any opinions? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC) ‎

• Yeah, that was a mess, wasn't it. Anyway, that addition strikes me as redundant, yeah. Drmies (talk) 05:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

If interested, I started a move discussion below, Drmies. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:45, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps the lead should be sourced or rephrased: "Mass sexual assault is the collective sexual assault of women in public by groups of . unrelated men.". Apokrif (talk) 17:37, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the current title, but not with the first sentence stating that all victims are women. I removed that part. It's now been changed to state that the victims are sometimes children. However, the victims are sometimes men or adolescents of either sex. Jim Michael (talk) 12:49, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Jim Michael, what WP:Reliable sources do you have showing that victims have sometimes been men? As for adolescent girls, the term women can be argued as covering them. Furthermore, the lead currently states "and sometimes children" per the recent expansion that included children. And even if we do include men as victims in the article, the lead should still make it clear that mass sexual assault is mainly committed against women; this is per WP:Due weight. In the case that children are also assaulted, it's commonly because the children are with the mothers. The sources show that it's usually a woman or teenage girl who is the target. If men are assaulted as part of a mass sexual assault, it's likely because they are just there...rather than being the initial target. This is different than gang rape, in which men have definitely been the target. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 13:04, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Move article back?

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved (non-admin closure). TonyBallioni (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

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Mass sexual assault of women by men → Mass sexual assault – As noted above, although we should keep WP:Precise in mind when naming articles, unless there are reliable sources noting cases of women committing mass sexual assault, it doesn't seem that this longer title is necessary. I mean, what would the "Mass sexual assault" article be about if it were created? And even if there are reliable sources noting cases of women committing mass sexual assault, the title should remain "Mass sexual assault" and the new content should go in the article. Instead of moving the article back myself per WP:RMUM, I've started this move discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:42, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

• I agree. This new title is uselessly long. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 07:44, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support It was an unnecessary and undiscussed move. Sro23 (talk) 07:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nom. If an article on mass sexual assault in general gets to be too unweildy, it could be split, but at the moment there is no need. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 12:17, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Reidgreg (talk) 19:34, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Personal opinion vs. what reliable sources state

Kyu Eri, regarding this, we go by what WP:Reliable sources state, not personal opinions or personal experience. The reliable sources do not call women perpetrators of mass sexual assault. It is not groups of women; it is groups of men. The victims are also noted to be women and underage people/children. And so far, the sources identify those underage people/children as girls.

Per WP:Advocacy, Wikipedia is not the place for you to try to set the record straight. Unless you have reliable sources backing you, there is no record straightening. Also see the move discussion above. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:11, 1 February 2018 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:14, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Women as Rapists

Can women gang rape men? I would say yes because people, in general, are able to rape other people and so people, in general, could easily rape more than one person, regardless of sex. Kyu Eri (talk) 00:50, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Sources? Chrisahn (talk) 02:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Requesting inputs

Greetings,

Hi, I'm User:Bookku a discussion about the sourced content is underway @ Talk:Minar-e-Pakistan#En masse public molestation and sexual violence against women. Your inputs are requested and awaited. Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias are for expanding information and knowledge' (talk) 18:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

2017 New year eve Mass sexual molestation at Benglore controversy

Ref list

• https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/bangalore-police-investigate-new-years-eve-sexual-assault-india
• https://scroll.in/article/826299/was-it-mass-molestation-debate-rages-over-what-happened-in-bengaluru-on-new-years-eve

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 00:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)