Talk:Matt "Guitar" Murphy

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Date of birth

The interview at tomguerra.com, currently given as an External link, gives his date of birth as December 28, 1929 not December 29, 1929. Is that a mistake in the current lead and infobox? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 20 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is there with the numbers in support, and also a sound rationale that the actual formulation Matt "Guitar" Murphy appears frequently in sources and on his own album.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

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Matt Murphy (blues guitarist) → Matt "Guitar" Murphy – I've given this a lot of thought, and think it makes sense:

• Press coverage: He's referred to almost exclusively by his stage name in the popular press, newspapers, and printed reference material (refer to the his references section).
• Music guides: Including AllMusic which is used extensively on Wikipedia to reference artists, refer to him as such.
• His own work: His solo albums all refer to him by that name on their covers and credits: see here, here, here.
• Better disambiguator: It's a more faithful, accurate way to disambiguate him from other Matt Murphys than just with "(blues guitarist)".

Thanks, RubenSchade (talk) 22:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 20:37, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Survey

• Weak oppose per WP:PSEUDONYM. This also isn't the only name used. Other variants of Matt "Guitar" Murphy are also used as much and the policy says to "avoid adding a nickname in quotes between first and last name". The editor whose username is Z0 08:00, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support. He's widely known as Matt "Guitar" Murphy, so it's a suitable if not exactly preferable disambiguator.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:07, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support, as per e.g. Johnny "Guitar" Watson. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per MOS:NICKNAME. There are plenty of examples there, including but not limited to: Earl Strickland, aka Earl "the Pearl" Strickland. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:33, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per MOS:NICKNAME. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Weak support: I think it is best to look for precedents in cases where the article name is the result of an explicit RM discussion – not just cases that may exist from sheer inertia (lack of discussion or lack of a consensus to move after a discussion). As far as I know, Johnny "Guitar" Watson and Earl Strickland have never been the subject of RM discussions. I think there is also something of a qualitative difference between cases for articles about criminals and articles about performers, so I suggest we focus on performers. The recent cases I'm aware of that fit my suggested criteria are the move from Evelyn King (singer) to Evelyn "Champagne" King in 2013 and the move from Ed Jones (American football) to Ed "Too Tall" Jones in 2014. Another one that might be worth looking at is my failed attempt to move Lee "Scratch" Perry to Lee Perry (recording artist) in 2014. Those examples seem to support this proposal. RubenSchade also does a very good job of illustrating the value for natural disambiguation, consistent use in self-published work, AllMusic, and common use as a stage name in press coverage. For a more inclusive summary of similar situations, please see User:BarrelProof#Nicknames in quotes. Perhaps WP:NICKNAME or MOS:NICKNAME should mention an exception for consistently-used stage names (especially when they provide natural disambiguation). Note that WP:NICKNAME and MOS:NICKNAME are distinct. The former focuses on article titles and the latter focuses on the content within the article. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:32, 3 September 2018 (UTC)s

I agree with what you say, although I'm very surprised you might think Johnny "Guitar" Watson is just a case of "inertia". Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

I see no evidence of any page moves or RM discussions for Johnny "Guitar" Watson. That's all I'm saying. As best I can tell, its name is the result of one person's initial edit in April 2005. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Well ok. It's just that I believe every one of Johnny "Guitar" Watson's records, with almost no exceptions, was credited to that name. Just take a look at all his album covers. Not sure what the situation is with Murphy. I guess we do have articles named like Bobby Bland and Eddie Vinson, but we also have plenty like Cannonball Adderley and Pops Staples. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:c930:7d34:e569:9a1:2591 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom. There is no proscription against use of nicknames in either WP:NICKNAME or WP:TSC, just a general advice about possible overuse, and there are ample precedents for counterexamples provided by BarrelProof above. We should follow the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATURALDIS where applicable, and the evidence here is pretty strong. FYI, a relevant discussion was held at Wikipedia talk:Article titles/Archive 54#Nickname in quotation marks in title. No such user (talk) 10:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

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Moved the Lucky Charm album into the Solo Discography section

The Lucky Charm (Matt "Guitar" Murphy album) article I created was deemed not notable enough, and was redirected back here. I discussed with the New Page Patroller, and they were kind enough to explain why (see here).

I still assert its notable enough for its own article (and certainly more than most stub-class albums I've come across, to be honest) but until we can find more references specifically discussing the album and not just Matt, I've included in the Solo discography section instead.

If anyone's able to find more references, or have ideas, feel free to comment here or on my talk page and I'll review this decision.

Cheers --RubenSchade (talk) 00:10, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Italics in article title

I don't think there should be italics in the title of the article, as it's about a person, but so far i can't find whatever put the italics there in order to remove them. ~ merlin 1987 ~ (talk) 13:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but my guess is that it's because the article includes {{Infobox album}}, so it is assumed that the article is about the album. It would be better if the albums (certainly the album with the infobox, at least) be hived off into separate articles. Though, having just read the comment above, if the album doesn't meet the notability criteria then, simply, the album infobox should be removed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

... which I've now done, and the article title has reverted to standard non-italic font. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this. You're right, it was because an infobox was included. I was directed to move the contents of that album's article into this page, because the album didn't satisfy notability to have its own article (despite another article with the same references passing). This is one of the reasons that decision was regrettable. One day I'll find more sources and push this back onto a separate article again. Cheers --RubenSchade (talk) 07:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)