Talk:Matthew Carrington, Baron Carrington of Fulham

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No move. Even after a relisting there's been basically no evidence presented that this is the primary topic of the name "Matthew Carrington" given that another subject of that name is covered extensively at another, more popular article. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Matthew Carrington (politician) → Matthew Carrington – The other person of this name does not even have his own article, he can be dealt with by a hatnote. --Relisted. EdJohnston (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC) PatGallacher (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Comment: Whether a topic has a separate article or not is irrelevant to determining whether disambiguation is needed. (Hurricane doesn't have its own article either.) —BarrelProof (talk) 23:24, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
• Support. BarrelProof, that's not a fair comparison as Hurricane is synonymous with Tropical cyclone (the article it redirects to). The article Matt's Law is about the law itself, not the individual who died leading to the law so a hatnote would be sufficient from the politicans page. Zarcadia (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Also irrelevant. What matters, per WP:DAB, is whether a term refers to a topic that is covered in any article on Wikipedia, not whether it is the main subject discussed in a particular article or not, and not whether it is synonymous with the main subject discussed in a particular article or not (i.e., "A 'topic covered by Wikipedia' is either the main subject of an article, or a minor subject covered by an article in addition to the article's main subject"). Also, for what it's worth, 'hurricane' is not synonymous with 'tropical cyclone'. My understanding is that all hurricanes are tropical cyclones, but not all tropical cyclones are hurricanes. So far, in this discussion, no one has made any remark relevant to the question of whether or not the politician is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Matthew Carrington". —BarrelProof (talk) 16:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Support per nom. A hatnote would work to direct readers to the other article. Calidum ^{Talk To Me} 00:34, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with BarrelProof that it is irrelevant whether the student Matthew Carrington has an article titled with his name; the existence of the article Matt's Law is sufficient to show that the student Matthew Carrington is an encyclopedic topic. The question then becomes whether the student or the politician is clearly a primary topic. Without any evidence presented in the nomination regarding that question, I favor the status quo. Xoloz (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
• From WP:TWODABS: If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, [...], or if both topics are obscure, then it is appropriate to have a disambiguation page at the base name. I think this is a borderline case, and my first inclination was to support the proposal, but a quick Google research (notwithstanding bias), showed much more hits for the student; on subsequent pages, they balanced out. It's more or less a coin toss, but I'd agree with Xoloz that the status quo is about fine. No such user (talk) 11:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. My first reaction was that it should be moved, but on further investigation I found that the Matt's Law article significantly outweighs the politician in page views and, as No such user notes, a Google search also showed a lot more coverage for the student. So despite "Matthew Carrington (student)" not having an article I don't think it can be conclusively said that the majority of people (which is all that's really needed in a TWODABS case) searching for "Matthew Carrington" are looking for this politician. Jenks24 (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Per Ed's request below for more evidence, I will supply a source for my assertions about the page views. "Matthew Carrington (politician)" gets 484 views in the last 90 days, while "Matt's Law" got 3548 views. Jenks24 (talk) 11:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. A hatnote will do the job perfectly well. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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• Relisting comment: This move request appears technically deficient, since there is no evidence provided that the UK politician Matthew Carrington is indeed the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In my opinion the move request might be ready to close one way or the other if people are willing to supply that kind of evidence. So far only User:No such user admits to using Google and he nonetheless feels that the status quo is adequate. EdJohnston (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Google Books shows that the US student who died of hazing is more notable globally, I cannot find the UK politician in the first 5 pages of results. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. No evidence that the UKanian peer is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

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