Talk:Mazda B series

Discontinuation in Japan

It seems Mazda no longer sells their compact pickup in Japan (there's no reference to it on their website). -- stewacide, 20:55, 28 July 2004‎

Why is the Picture on the Top the other Mazda B?

The top picture on an info box is labelled North American Mazda B, yet this article is about the International Mazda B which is a completely different vehicle.(82.3.42.90 (talk) 19:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC))

Mazda Proceed/Proceed Marvie/Ford Raider

Why is there not a seperate page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.170.183.146 (talk) 08:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Pickup Truck

I have just undone the reversion of my recent edits by User:OSX. The reasons are that I had added more information to the article which made it explicable to a wider audience, whereas before it was written with solely North American terms, describing the vehicle only as a pickup truck, a term not used worldwide. As this vehicle is sold worldwide it seems to make sense to include this information. Also this user removed an image I added with no explanation. I added this image as the article showed mostly North American, two wheel drive models and I added an image of an Australian 4 wheel drive model, of which type there was no image in the article previously. Morgan Leigh | Talk 08:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Believe me, pickup truck IS the worldwide term. You'll find "ute" is used by the 23 million Australians (me included) and that's about it. Wikipedia does not pander to minority lexicon. If someone does not know what a pickup truck is, the appropriate link will tell them.

P.S. The image is not very encyclopaedic as the spotlights and bullbar cover the entire front end (what does this thing actually look like?). Considering USA sales ended in circa 1993, the 1998 to 2006 section has no USA images. Actually, I counted 5 images of USA spec cars, 5 of Australian spec cars, 1 Euro-spec, and the rest being of Asian origin. In the same sixth generation we have two images of the 4x4, and another of the aluminium tray model. We don't need to illustrate every possible body style combination possible. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Also what about South Africa? In this country, I am led to believe the common usage word is "bakkie". OSX (talk • contributions) 09:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

You have removed useful information so I have reverted your edit. Let me address your issues.

Simply because a term is not used world wide is no reason to not include it, in fact quite the opposite. It adds clarity to add more information as it helps more people. How is having less information better? For this reason if you believe that the term bakkie is used in South Africa then it seems good to add it.

I don't see why that image is not useful as no other instances of that configuration are included in the article. The bullbar is not aftermarket but part of the MY05 upgrade that was supplied by Mazda dealers, of which there are no other photos in the article. There are also no other images of the drop side tray with timber racks. I don't see at all why we shouldn't include many variations. Why are you so keen to delete this image? Morgan Leigh | Talk 11:57, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

We do not compromise the factual accuracy of an article by deleting a term simply because it is not the primary word used in one country. Australians typically would be familiar with the term "pickup truck", and the rest of world almost certainly would in most cases. You can't eschew a term based on this by changing references to "pickup truck" to something along the lines of "vehicles of this style". In the infobox, you changed "2-door pickup" to "2-door". Sorry, but "2-door" is not a body style; it's a prefix used before the body style to give extra detail, i.e. 2- or 4-door pickup. I suggest you brush up on Wikipedia guidelines, because these US language (global in this case, minus Australia) is entirely valid.

We already have enough images, Wikipedia is not a gallery (Wikipedia:Image use policy#Placement). The link to the Commons contains further images to view if readers so choose. I also note (again) the aftermarket spot lights that go against WP:CARPIX which states "use images of cars in [...] original condition [...] avoid pictures of heavily customized cars as they may not be very representative of the vehicles most common appearance." OSX (talk • contributions) 13:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

My edits are clearly not vandalism as I have added information. I have more consensus than you for this change as another editor agreed with my changes. You are also speaking for others with no substantiation. Can you cite your assertion that Australians know what a pickup truck is? I suggest not. So the article is improved by adding this information. The only aftermarket item in the image is the driving lights. I suggest this is not enough to count as "heavily customised". I will be asking for input by others on this edit as you are clearly edit warring. Morgan Leigh | Talk 23:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

RFC - Internationalising the article and photo removal

See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Avoiding the word "pickup truck"

I recently made some edits which added terms that describe this type of vehicle in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, (this information is cited on the page Ute (vehicle)) and added an image of a particular configuration of this type of vehicle not already included in the article. User:NorthBySouthBaranof made edits which included but refined the information I added and retained the image. User:OSX has repeatedly removed this information and the image I added while using emotional language such as "pandering to minority lexicon", whereas I see it as adding information that will help users in countries where the term pickup truck is not used. He has accused me of vandalism and compromising the factual accuracy of the article for adding this information. I would be most grateful for the input of others. Morgan Leigh | Talk 00:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Please be specific on what you need feedback on. Thanks. --JustBerry (talk) 00:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes I agree, currently no feedback is needed. Just take it up with this particular user. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 17:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

* Comment: Though I agree that the criticisms were off-base, aggressive, and largely irrelevant as stated, I still recommend that you drop it, and possibly make up the deficiency in more appropriate articles. While the duty to include lots of information is my own frequent tune on the harmonium, it is almost as important that the information should be relevant in context. This article deals with particular lines of bakkies, not with bakkies in general, and the international vocabulary for such vehicles is not helpful here; a reader wanting to know what South Africans and Indonesians call utility vehicles is not likely to consult the Mazda article in particular, where such material is parenthetical and of no explanatory value. Such discussion belongs in articles such as those on Utes and Pickups in general, where there is some mention of such terminology, plus cross-linking. If you are concerned with passing on such info I recommend that you make sure it is complete in those articles and in the redirs, hatnotes and disambigs to them, where the information is relevant and helps people unfamiliar with the dominant usages, to find material of value. JonRichfield (talk) 17:50, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

* Comment: Agree with JonRichfield, Pickup truck is the most common term, and anyone wishing to find out what that type of vehicle might be known as in their own country should consult that article not this one. It would otherwise be easy to write the varying terms for a wide range of words in the article, bloating it unnecessarily. This is what wikilinks are for. Samwalton9 (talk) 08:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - I myself an an Australian and I actually don't mind it being called a pickup truck as that is the more accepted term used to refer to that style of vehicle. The more common term should be used. PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 11:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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