Talk:University of Melbourne Student Union

2007

It's interesting that a member of the block that targeted Media funding and wages in the budget votes decided to cut out my contribution about it. I'd ask for it to be pointed out any factual problems with my contribution Psterrell 12:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC) (member of IAP)

Your contribution was not verifiable and POV.Theusualsuspect 02:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be verifiable if council minutes were posted online, still waiting for those, if you're going to look at it that way, there is no way to verify anything for 2007 as election results have also been taken off the union website. I will happily source and cite any of this information once these become public. If anyone is waiting it should appear under the secretariat section of www.union.unimelb.edu.au

Here is my attempt without available information.

ALP, Activate did form a strong preference coalition. To my recollection ALP second preferenced Activate and visa versa for all council positions. I cannot remember exactly what deal was made with More Activities but am almost certain it was given higher preference by ALP and Activate than in previous years. SA was low on the list.

"IAP and the Media Collective formed a joint ticket "Independent Arts/Media" and won a seat. Labor Club ran under the ticket "one" and won more seats than any other party." - this is true and you know it.

I acknowledge my mistake about MULC.

"The Students Council finalised the budget at the end of 2006. Due to VSU, the budget was substantially smaller." - nothing wrong with that!

"The department to suffer the greatest casualty from this was the Media department. Council decided to cut Media Officer's wages and substantially decrease the budget for the Media Department which runs the Student Newspaper "Farrago." I'm guessing this is your greatest objection. I will happily cite the minutes and the figures which show that Media received the greatest percentage cut of any other department in that final meeting and that this cut was not comparable to other across the board cuts for other departments.

"This resulted in the Indepedent Arts/Media party to split from the left-block that proposed and voted for the cuts."

The motion which set this into placed was moved by Jessie Giles and I think Josh Cusak or if not some other member of Labor which should be noted in the minutes. I don't know what other type of evidence I need to say that it was proposed by the left-block will happily replace "left-block" with Labor if you want or would you rather I name individuals.

Where am I wrong? Psterrell 03:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The language you use is POV and is clearly pushing a political agenda (words such as "casualty"). As I recall, the Media budget was considerably under budget, whereas the Arts, Activities and C&S Depts reached their budgets. Thus, if you take the actual expenditure rather than projected expenditure, the Media reduction is much more "moderate".

Also, there are no "seats" on Student Council; the terminology you used was sloppy and not to wikistandards (although the entire article is sloppy). Finally, you added non-verifiable information and speculation regarding election deals (which are both non-verifiable and non-notable).

Wikipedia is not there for you to pursue your own factional or political agendas, "naming and shaming" (look at the result for Darren Ray). It is supposed to be objective. Theusualsuspect 09:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

OK point taken if you're unhappy with the language I can appreciate it. But the fact is that the decision at the last student council was based on grudges not economic equality (And no I can't prove a grudge but if you'd been there you would have heard Jessie Giles say "Personally I found last years' Farrago boring" if that's not decision-making based on personal and arbitrary decisions I don't know what is).

I also don't know what you mean by under-budget. Farrago spent a given figure last year, asked for less this year and ended up with considerably less this year, as did arts. I wish minutes were posted online during the actual budget discussions, these are the most important council meetings for students and yet they're not available until its too late, however I do not know who to blame for this.

I will find a forum to vent on, people need to know, however as I said I can appreciate you're objection to some language and I apologize, but this isn't the end.

Psterrell 09:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Have seen Jan 3 edit, ok as far as Wikipedia, am happy but as far as other things go....well there is a lot of things at stake

Psterrell 13:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Women's and Queer Departments

I was surprised to see reference to "Womyn's" and Queers department. At first I thought it was somebody trolling, but according to the MSU website, there is a Queer Department, so I won't remove that. However the Women's Department is spelled correctly, without the Y. Limeguin (talk) 12:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Office-Bearer list

I would have thought that the full-list of Office-Bearers and their names and ticket backgrounds is important for a page of a Student Union - for anyone interested in who the OBs are or who is running the Union. I could guess that people visiting the page would be interested in the contemporary who’s who of UMSU - which as far as I can tell has been a feature for most of the page’s history. The page was just updated because UMSU just had a by-election and new OBs were elected (with some factional changes). I looked up the page to see the updated list, which is why I was surprised to see it removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.36.186.80 (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2022 (UTC)