Talk:Metal Gear

No Solidus Snake Wiki Page?!?

This is outrageous. He also needs to have a link in the "Metal Gear Franchise" box at the bottom of all Metal Gear pages. Did anyone notice this or is it just me?

Revengence is before MGS4

Pretty self explanatory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.36.75.134 (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

That was Solid Rising. Revengeance takes place nine years after MGS4 with Raiden mentioning the E3 trailer that the Patriots are gone.Tintor2 (talk) 15:31, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Source

1up has a full week's worth of articles on Metal Gear 25th anniversary. Probably some stuff worth including here. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Themes

In the themes section, it mentions Gene, meme, scene, sense, and peace as the themes for most of the Solid games. Yet it does not mention the theme of Portable Ops. Why is this not included? 134340Goat (talk) 22:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

You know I kinda notice a pattern here. In the characters article, you whine about the lack of an MPO section. And in here, you make another question that has an MPO element added in? Are you really that desperate to have anything about that game included in anywhere Metal Gear? --Eaglestorm (talk) 13:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

The list seems incomplete without it. If you'd seen my other "whining", you'd have read that before.I'm not whining, I'm simply asking why it is not included. I'm not demanding anybody do anything. The article just seems to be lacking. 134340Goat (talk) 20:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, I do not understand why my addition needed to be removed. 134340Goat (talk) 04:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Wonder what will happen if I try to improve this article again... 134340Goat (talk) 07:10, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Don't try it. The game has no theme, and I will revert it. Provide at least two primary references with a theme, otherwise it will not be valid. --Anddo (talk) 17:06, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

It is documented nicely here. You asked for two examples in game:

1.) Early on, two soldiers are talking about their dissatisfaction with Gene as their leader due to his brutal methods.

2.) When Gene explains his goal for his Army's Heaven, Snake calims that he is nothing but a dictator, and what soldiers are really looking for is outside his "heaven".

Need any more? 134340Goat (talk) 18:40, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yeah actually, much more. Not a one of those references refer to a single word or phrase as an overarching theme. Give me something like Gene, Meme, Scene, Sense, Peace or Revenge to write around. All the themes in the series revolve around a single word, otherwise it's just a detail the developer wanted to convey, not a general moral. Find me something like that, anywhere. --Anddo (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

No need to be so rude about it. Judging by your history, you do that a lot, though. Just tell me why the theme shoud not be documented here. The article would benefit from at least a brief mention somewhere. Did you read this? Also, now that I re-read it again, it mentions the themes of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2:Solid Snake. Those are unable to be expressed in a single word, yet they are still mentioned. 134340Goat (talk) 19:12, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

The bottom paragraph deals with Metal Gear Solid titles in one-word conventions, while the above explains MG1 and 2's theme without a one-word convention. If an MGS title really has a theme, it's one word, so the MGS paragraph is branched. MPO does not. The MGS series splits off from MG1 and 2 anyway. If you really want to lay out the theme for MPO, why don't you do it in an entirely separate paragraph since it has no word of its own? --Anddo (talk) 20:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

You make a fair point about the MG/MGS split. Problem is, if I wrote anything there, a troublesome user called Eaglestorm would remove it without explanation, even when asked. Oh well, there's always the sandbox to go to... 134340Goat (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Metal Gear

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Metal Gear's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Gamespot":

• From The Phantom Pain (video game): Makuch, Eddie. "The Phantom Pain revealed". GameSpotdate=December 7, 2012. Retrieved 8 December 2012.
• From Electronic Entertainment Expo 2010: "E3 2010 Showfloor Map on GameSpot". Gamespot. Retrieved 2010-06-11.
• From Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes: Cocker, Guy (28 September 2012). "Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes includes Mother Base, day/night cycle". Retrieved 15 October 2012.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

MGS5

By the looks of it, a 5 is in the works. http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_5 - 88.104.86.135 (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Meryl Silverburgh's up

You guise can help with it. Also, The Boss (totally) and EVA (maybe) also need their own articles. --Niemti (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Canon/Non-Canon v.s. Main Series/ Spin-off (again)

Alright. To some this might be tiresome. This is mainly about how Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance should be treated within the various articles concerning Metal Gear Games. This is an official site by Konami for the 25th anniversary last year: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami.jp%2Fmg25th%2Ftruth%2F Now, this is only one of myriad sources, that skips over MPO as if it isn't canon or at least not important. Similarly, Rising has constantly been referred to a spin-off or a "new standard", something that stands apart from the main series, especially by Kojima himself, THE ultimate source regarding Metal Gear. Actually he himself said about MPO "It happened, but it is not a main chapter." What I am getting at: A Main Series does NOT equal whether something is Canon or Non-canon. Star Wars: The Clone Wars is a spin-off of the Star Wars films, even though it is canon, it has its focus on a side story (namely, the titular Clone Wars which are skipped over in the main cinematic saga). Even though Metal Gear Rising's events did happen in the larger Metal Gear Universe, it still is not part of Hideo Kojima's Main storyline. Even though Portable Ops did show events that happened within the main universe, Big Boss first taking on a command and becoming a leader, they are apparently not an important part of the core series. (In one main game, MGS3, Big Boss goes solo, in the next, MGSPW, he is already a commander years later. How that came to happen is not important to the main series, but if you are interested, there is a side story about how became a commander in MPO.) All things said: currently the myriad articles concerning Metal Gear tread MPO and MGR as part of the main series, when they are clearly not. The articles should reflect the official stance on the matter, more precisely, the CURRENT official stance in the matter. MPO may have been a main chapter once, but it has since been superceeded by Peace Walker. And Rising was never more than a spin-off game in the first place, albeit a canonical one. Suggestion: 1. the main series currently consists of seven titles: Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes and Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain are two upcoming title which will continue the Main Series. The articles should reflect that stance. 2. Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance are unique among the various spin-offs in that they present canonical storylines, meaning storylines, that did happen within the main Metal Gear universe and not outside the regular continuity in some alternate reality or something. This should be clearly mentioned as well as the debate arround MPO, which originally was announced as a main chapter but has since been shoved under the carpet by Kojima Productions, especially following Peace Walker. Thoughts anyone?141.35.40.137 (talk) 10:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Not this again... Look, the official Metal Gear timeline application on the official site still lists MPO, and considering how the site still receives updates and the timeline is interactive, that means it is still canonical.

As far as that "Truth" timeline for the MG25, that timeline had more than a few errors on its part. For instance, it claimed Big Boss fell into sulphuric acid, despite it not only contradicting MG2's account of how he was "killed," but also his appearance in MGS4. Some of the events also weren't even updated to reflect current information. For example, it reused the MGSaga's dating (20XX) for MGS4, even though its long been made clear that the year the game took place in was 2014. Besides, its not the first time an official timeline left out games: The timeline posted by Konami during Peace Walker's development also omitted the MSX2 games as well. And BTW, if we really want to get technical, the MSX2 games aren't even main titles, especially seeing how they don't exactly encompass the Solid series (lack of "Solid" in the title. That, plus the heavy amount of retcons to that game since MGS).

Lastly, I'm pretty sure MPO would not have been referenced in MGS4 as a main title if it weren't one, especially in rereleases. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

What's the point of this? Making such weird statements will such confuse the readers who will wonder what's the difference between "main game" and "game" and what's the difference from canonical.Tintor2 (talk) 12:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, we would be clarifying. Fact is, Rising is currently not considered a Main Game and never was (meaning being part of the main series - which is a weird term, I agree, however, one that is used by Kojima and Kojima Productions). Currently, both terms are thrown arround interchangably without really explaining. Wikipedia is supposed to represent official facts, in't it? As for the occasional omission of the original MSX2 games: I was thinking of mentioning that, but didn't want to be bold. The original MSX2 games could be seen as standing apart from the later Metal Gear Solid series (actually, the list of media has done this for years!). However, currently the myriad articles represent false facts: Metal Gear Rising is not the 9th Main Game in the series, it is a spin-off. Nor is MGS4 for instance the 7th, as MPO, the supposed 6th main game, has since been removed from the main series, thus making MGS4 the 6th so called main game. 141.35.40.137 (talk) 18:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain are NOT the same game

Read this article: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/27/the-phantom-pain-and-metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-are-two-separate-games/

I saw another article, though I can't seem to retrieve it now. In it, Hideo Kojima confirmed that Metal Gear Solid 5 is not a game. It's a project composed of two games - MGS:Ground Zeroes and MGSV:The Phantom Pain. He did later say he was unsure of HOW they will be released, but he did also clarify that they're still two games. In addition, the official Metal Gear website still lists MGS:GZ and MGSV:TPP as two separate products.

Also remember that trailer confirming Metal Gear Solid V is NOT pronounced as Roman numeral 5, rather, the V is literally pronounced as letter V (the trailer flashed across words like "vapor, victory, V has come to", etc.

So with all this confirmed info, why is so much in this article inaccurate? 134340Goat (talk) 21:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Metal Gear Solid: Sub-series

Does anyone else feel like we can make a splinter page for Metal Gear Solid as a sub:series? In the same way that persona has its own article as sub series of megami tensei? Osh33m (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

A bit late, but not really. Mostly because the original Metal Gear series didn't continue after Metal Gear Solid, so Metal Gear Solid is basically the continuation of Metal Gear series. The only sub-series worth noting are Acid, Online and Rising. However, Online is the miltiplayer component of Solid and not really a seperate thing, while Acid and Rising aren't big enough to warrant their own sections/articles. Acid had two games in 2004 and 2005 and Rising was one game in 2013. In contrast, Persona has become a fully fledged series of its own with multiple installments and even spin-offs, while Megami Tensei also continued on its own with multiple installments.141.35.40.31 (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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