Talk:Mexico–United States soccer rivalry

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Should this be called soccer rivalry due to its relevance to the USA and the use of that word here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.227.39 (talk) 06:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. -- R'son-W _{(speak to me/breathe)} 01:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Would be nice to have a total summary --Jor70 13:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This isn't really much of an article, more a list of results. It doesn't even mention why the two nations are rivals, just they have played each other many times. Dancarney (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it necessary to insert the overall W-L-T record in the intro and again during "Recent Years"? I agree that more context ought to be given, for example player altercations, media involvement (voodoo dolls sold in Mexico for the February 2009 WCQ held in USA), probably ought to include the Donovan & Oswaldo Sanchez hate, etc. This is one of the most dynamic rivalries in international soccer and this article leaves much to be desired. --Beach blvd (talk) 07:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

This article is Missing some Things

The opening paragraphs and the result charts look just fine. But I think there should have been a seperate infobox which indicate and mark the milestones for either squad and a listing of players who have scored goals for their respective national side.

For Example:

Date & Place	USA Goal/Player VS Mexico Goal/Player	Final
June 17, 2002 Jeonju, South Korea	McBride 8'min (of 1st half) Donovan 26'min (2nd half)	2 - 0

woeful article

not a single source for anything? A link to FIFA.com (for the result perhaps), but where are the ascertatiosn comings from?Lihaas (talk) 03:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

New Club Addition

I think it would be interesting to add a section to this page that lists the games and results played by Club teams from both countries. I would do it but I have very little knowledge of how to create a new article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.214.226.98 (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Name

I'm moving this from "football" to "soccer" as per earlier suggestion and WP:ENGVAR. jnestorius^(talk) 15:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

2009 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final

I don't understand this comment and have restored the relevant match to the list:

The match at the 2009 Gold Cup is not considered official as the tournament, along with the 2005 and upcoming 2013 tournaments, are not tied to FIFA and are organized exclusively by CONCACAF.

Unless a country specifically indicates it's sending a B-team, youth-team, etc, then its matches are full internationals at any confederation championship. Why exclude the 2009 Gold Cup, but not the 2007 or 2011 Gold Cup, or the US Cup, or the friendly matches? The match is listed on the FIFA page (even though FIFA appears to be missing a couple of the matches listed on this Wikipedia page). jnestorius^(talk) 19:58, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the comment above and went ahead re-reverted this. At best, the Gold Cup final is no more unofficial than the friendlies that are listed. Just because the 2009 Gold Cup is not tied to FIFA Confederations Cup, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be listed.Waterloosunset27 (talk) 02:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Its was an official match between the two senior teams, that is what the list is for, it should stay. Murry1975 (talk) 13:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Clasico and associated unsourced claims

I don't want to breach 3RR: could someone else revert the unsourced claims of RealEarthquake/Amerxican/Walter Görlits/ 71.139.164.148 (all of which are permanantly banned accounts). Who knows, if it is done by a US citizen, he might even consider that you have a right to be on Wikipedia. Kevin McE (talk) 06:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Reverted, sock seems to have WP:OWN issue on article. Murry1975 (talk) 14:42, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually Im fighting againts Kevin McE due to the fact that she doesnt know anything about the rivalry. She continues to erase tons of information that was used in previous edits. 71.139.169.11 (talk) 07:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:OR. ANd before you go there WP:FRINGE. Murry1975 (talk) 11:00, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

"Actually Im fighting" WP:BATTLEFIELD. As far as your edits go they are pretty poor, but your attitude needs to change just as much. Work within the guidelines, discuss what needs to be done show proof, and be civil. Murry1975 (talk) 13:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Please note that I am male, as is (AFAIK) everyone with the forename Kevin: I suspect you knew that and thought that using a female pronoun would be an insult. Please be aware that both my age and my IQ are more than 13, so that is unlikely to work. Kevin McE (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Mexico–United States soccer rivalry. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 09:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Mexico–United States association football rivalry → Mexico–United States football rivalry – Two reasons. First, this is the common title for most football rivalries in Wikipedia. Second, there are no other "football" rivalries between the USA & Mexico that merit the length of the current title. If future "football" rivalries form between both sides (assuming American gridiron football eventually becomes highly popular in Mexico), I suppose that this title would be acceptable, as is the case with New Zealand and Australia. MarshalN20 ^Talk 16:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support as nominator.--MarshalN20 ^Talk 16:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose as nominated. football has a different meaning in the US than Europe. It really should say soccer in the title, per ENGVAR. It was at that title until it was moved without any discussion in March by an editor who was later indefinitely banned. Thus, I support moving back to that title. Calidum ^{Talk To Me} 16:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose WP:ENGVAR; it should be called Mexico–United States soccer rivalry, because (1) United States is the only English speaking locality of the two (2) US English uses "Soccer" (3) The United States is not subject to British English (4) the English speaking world outside of Europe, in the real world (ie. outside of Wikipedia), uses "soccer" preferentially. (ie. Australia, South Africa, USA, Canada) (5) "football" means something else entirely in North American English, and North America is not part of Europe -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose ...and suggest a new move request to change the title to Mexico–United States soccer rivalry. "Soccer" will be understood by all. And it's not ambiguous like "football". HiLo48 (talk) 05:32, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
• Move to Mexico–United States soccer rivalry Red Slash 19:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
• Move to Mexico–United States soccer rivalry - per WP:ENGAVR, I hate the word "soccer" but this is what Americans call the sport and it is a US related article therefore we should use American English. IJA (talk) 17:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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Score/Games mismatch

In the article's infobox it says the largest victory happened on August 25, 1975 (MEX 8–0 USA), but in the list of games there isn't any 8–0 result (the largest would be 6-0) nor a game on that date (the closest one would be August 24, 1975, but it looks strange that they would play in 2 consecutive days). I looked online and found different sites that mention the 1975's 8–0 on August 25th, but they don't offer any source for it (including this other Wikipedia article, wehre the game is mentioned as being part of the 1976 Summer Olympics Qualifier). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaromontoro (talk • contribs) 18:09, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

After doing some research, I arrived to this 1975 article from a Spanish newspaper archive where the it says the game happened on the 24th, as part of the qualifiers for the Olympics, and that it was played by the amateurs national teams. Now that creates another issue: were the USA and Mexico playing 2 different soccer games for 2 different competitions at the same time? (Copa Ciudad de Mexico and the Olympic qualifiers) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaromontoro (talk • contribs) 18:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Combining result scores in table

It is at best awkward to combine scores as the are combined in the results table. Scores are game specific and should be reported clearly and unambiguously for each game. Unfortunately, the article is locked, preventing easy editing to correct the display of results in the table. Someone with edit privileges should make the necessary tweaks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.202.81.20 (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Article name

Mexicans calls the sport "futbol" which is Spanish for football so why don't you give a little respect to the non-American side? Association football is the most neutral term in this context. 113.179.5.195 (talk) 08:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR applies here. What the sport is called in Spanish is completely irrelevant, but what the sport is called in English is relevant. Because this involves the USMNT and not, say, England, we use the term "soccer" throughout the article rather than "football" as you might find in other similar articles. Really all there is to it. Jay eyem (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)