Talk:Miguel Induráin

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Did he ever test positive for Salbutamol?

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i deleted the following line from the article: "In 1994, he was once tested positive with Salbutamol." because i would consider this a major claim and it came from an ip address only. (not a registered user) if someone else can confirm this, we can put it back into the article.uri budnik 15:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

I believe he actually did, but I think he had a doctor's note for it (pre-dated though?) Evito 07:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

source: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/drugs-in-sport-indurain-allowed-to-use-banned-drug-1379584.html

Ángel

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His personal website does not have the Ángel name. Are you sure? --Error 02:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Miguelón?

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Someone replaced "Big Mig" with "Miguelón" - I'm not familiar with the latter nickname... GregorB 21:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

It was used in Spain. It was so popular that a cranium found in Atapuerca around that time was nicknamed Miguelón. --Error 01:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Is his nickname not "Flaxplutzine"?

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End of the first paragraph: "...which earned him the nickname 'Miguelón'". This is a meaningless sentence. "Miguelón" has no meaning in English, so there is no connection between this group of letters and the discussion of his size. ...or do Basque/Spanish cyclists get more letters according to their height? And it is significant that this horse of a man has earned an eight letter name? Give me a hint. It is Spanish or Basque? (Looks Spanish). I give up, please clarify. Gronky 12:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC) It's Spanish. The "ón" attached to "Miguel" is an augmentative suffix that has colloquial and affectionate connotations. Roughly translated it would be "Big Miguel" in english. Gnipahellir 10:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

VO2 max

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This page claims it is 88 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VO2_max#VO2_max_Levels claims it is 96 for Miguel Indurain I hope someone who is interested but more knowledgable than me, can reconcile this. Cheers! Phil —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.84.17 (talk) 23:59, March 3, 2007

It's 88. I think VO2max gets it wrong, I've never seen the 96 figure for Indurain. Will mark it with {{fact}}. GregorB 23:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

smile

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For us who remember him, his smile while riding was very famous, posters of him with the peculiar grimace being sold. I think it's worth mentioning in the article. --User:Euyyn

A photo would be even better, if anyone has one which Wikipedia could use! SeveroTC 11:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Needs an additional section on his training technique

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A useful section would be one about his training technique which allowed to achieve a resting heart rate of 29 beats per minute. Winning500 22:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Delgado comment

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The article says: "In 1992 fans reported overhearing him say "Mi bano es su bano" after big stages concluded especially to fellow countryman and domestique extraordinaire, Pedro Delgado" Is P.D., winner of the TdF ja twice winner of the Veulta, really considered a "domestique extraordinaire" in some circles? 82.181.150.151 20:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yes, Perico Delgado is (with good reason) the most popular Spanish Cyclist in the last 30 years, second only to Indurain. 128.195.56.102 23:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

"Mi bano es su bano"

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That sentence has no meaning at all in Spanish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.128.4.223 (talk) 18:08, July 24, 2007

I'm guessing it should say baño, although it's quite odd... I'm changing it. Pablodiazgutierrez 23:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
for those of us who dont speak spanish what does it mean? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.29.114.103 (talk) 05:16, July 27, 2007
It means "My bath is your bath", why would he say that after a race? I still don't get it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.128.4.223 (talk) 14:25, July 30, 2007

In Spanish he stated, "My bathroom is your bathroom". I presume he meant it as a sign of friendship to other riders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.76.80.122 (talk) 21:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

5 Tours Wins and Almost Nothing About Them

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I know we have individual articles about each tour but come on, at least add a little meat about his tour wins or time trial expertise. 69.150.59.88 (talk) 02:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Everyone is free to add this. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 09:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Criticism

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This article is terrible. As it stands, it is nothing more than a hagiography. It contains only unfettered praise and not an ounce of criticism. What's more, most of the praise seems to be entirely unsourced and nothing more than the writer's opinion. This is not encyclopaedic, it is a fanzine. BearAllen (talk) 10:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

You're free to modify the article as you see fit, and remove or tag any inaccurate 'praise' or add any valid criticism. Bear in mind, however, it stands to reason that if you aren't knowledgeable enough on the subject matter to provide sourced criticism, you probably lack the credentials to evaluate the merit of the information in the article. Just a thought. --71.234.195.17 (talk) 23:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

To the first point - no, I do not feel qualified to write an entire article about Indurain, nor do I have the inclination. Also, it is not a question of removing individual points. In my opinion, the entire article lacks balance.

To the second point, I do not agree. I know enough about Indurain, and professional cycling in his era, to be aware a significant amount of criticism of him exists, none of which is even touched upon. Even if I had no knowledge of him, or any cyclist, I would only have to read the article to note the reverential tone and lack of sourcing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.59.154 (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

I agree with BearAllen's comment above. I find the section "Physical attributes" particularly questionable. Its source for MI's alleged superior physics is the very institute that has been credited with introducing EPO in international cycling (see the wikipedia articles on EPO and Francesco Conconi for more on this). At the same time the article does not mention any of the doping allegations that has been brought against MI. I do not have sufficient knowledge to edit the article myself, but I have added a POV-tag. -NW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.111.79.158 (talk) 01:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Tidy and expansion

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I've done my best to tidy and expand the article, and to remove the hagliography. If you can suggest anything else, I'll see if I can do it. If not, maybe someone else? Les woodland (talk) 15:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)les woodlandReply

I have added some things, mainly about his early years. I think his 1992 and 1993 Giro wins deserve some more prose. One problem I had: "Indurain took two months to consider his future, particularly the seven million pesetas (€4.5 million)". €4.5 million corresponds to roughly 700 million pesetas, so one of these numbers must be wrong, but I don't have access to the sources to find out what is right. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 11:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)Reply

I think the euro figure is probably the more accurate. Since it certainly is inaccurate to leave both figures - thanks for the observation, incidentally - I'll delete the pesetas and leave it to anyone who knows better. Les woodland (talk) 06:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)les woodlandReply


Number of tour de france's stage won

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It is said in the article that he only won a few stages, but I remember some mountain stages where he clearly let other competiters won the stage while retaining the yellow jersey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.7.24.150 (talk) 11:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

L'Équipe, France, July 2004

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From where comes this reference? In a Google search I only find it at en:WP and some blogs. L'Équipe is a French journal I know but we must believe it because is written in WP? In electro-physiology 28 bpm a sinusal rhythm at rest is strange because AV-node would take the control of heart rate at a rate 40-60... 28bmp is His-Purkinge rate which permits life in supine position. I would like to understand better. Doc Elisa 11:24, 24 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

........" took "...... - and " 28 BPM ?

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Physical attributes Indurain had a physiology superior to fellow athletes, according to the Ferrara institute. His blood took seven litres of oxygen around his body per minute,[28] compared to 3–4 litres for an ordinary person and 5–6 litres for fellow riders. His cardiac output was 50 litres a minute; a fit amateur cyclist's is about 25 litres. Indurain's lung capacity was 7.8 litres,[2] compared to an average of 6 litres. His resting pulse was as low as 28 BPM,[2] Q. Surely this: " His blood took seven litres of oxygen around his body per minute " " took " - should it be pumped. Also 28 BPM is very low. I heard Tour de France commintators saying he had BMP of 48 or 49 at rest. And over 200 BPM Max. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.246.19 (talk) 23:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Again about the accent

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Hi. Miguel Induráin Larraya writes his name with accent, like you can see at its fountation page: Greetings from the President, and in the cover of this authorised biography. He prefers orthographic rules of the Spanish language, instead ot that of the basque language. In WP:ES we moved the article to Miguel Induráin with accent. Can someone move the article, please? Thank you. Pompilos (talk) 22:17, 3 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Donati was a cheater.

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therefore his statements have no value, and above all they are not criticism, but opinions. 151.16.37.196 (talk) 12:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply