Talk:Minahasan people

National Heroes of Indonesia from Minahasa

I removed the section titled above and in it's place started a new page called List of (notable) Minahasa people that is linked under See also. Two reasons: (1) it would be better to have a narrative for the section instead of just a list, and (2) not all of the people currently listed are actually "national heroes."

--CakalangSantan 03:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

von Däniken

Can someone substantiate the von Däniken reference with a reference to the book(s) this comes from? Nothing comes up on the Internet for this. Badagnani 22:12, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

• Whoever put that in must be thinking of the Toraja of Tanah Toraja (Torajaland), Central Sulawesi. Their houses not only look something like upturned canoes, they are so referred to by the Torajans themselves, in spite of the fact that they are a mountain people, far from the sea, whichD. enough to suggest they were aliens. Minahasan houses ("rumah panggung", or "platform houses") look something like a bungalow on stilts, and not at all like a boat.Rikyu 23:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• • I've removed the von Däniken section from the opening paragraph until someone can substantiate it - here it is should anyone want to put it back - 'Erich von Däniken refers to the Minahasa in his works, claiming that as a people they believe they came from outer space (hence their traditional houses, which are vessel-shaped).' --Bwmodular 09:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

That guy is a total mess. Obviously he's talking about Tongkonan, the house of Torajan People in South SulawesiMatahari Pagi 03:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• • • I would suggest that the traditional communal houses of Minahasa have transformed in structure (architecturally and socially) over the last two centuries. Drawings made by the Rev. Schwarz from the mid-19th century suggests that Minahasan houses resembled central Bornean longhouses - often decorated with elaborate carvings (including houses resting on deity-shaped stilts). The aforementioned 'bungalow on stilts' described by Rikyu might be a more recent development that occurred after Christian proselytizations. 'Northern' origins, akin to Torajan mythologies are quite common among the Austronesian speaking peoples in Sulawesi, so I would suggest if someone could include pre-Christian periods in the Minahasa sections.

--borneoaddict 18:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

TwaaPro

I edited the first paragraph. The previous sentence, implying that all Minahasan inhabitants supported the TwaaPro (Twaalfde Provincie) Movement to join the Netherlands as the twelfth province is unfounded. According to Henley (1996), the TwaaPro was short-lived and did not transform into a widespread popular movement.

See NATIONALISM AND REGIONALISM IN A COLONIAL CONTEXT: Minahasa in the Dutch East Indies. By David E. F Henley. Leiden (The Netherlands): KITLV Press, 1996. vii, 186 pp. (Maps, tables.) US$33.50, paper ISBN 90-6718-080-7.

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'The Origin of Minahasa People'

124.148.181.128 (talk) 04:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)Hello,

The first sentence of this section is really not correct. The belief of Toar and Lumimuut is just one belief about the origins of the different Minahasan ethnic groups. However in terms of the origin of people in the Minahasa region there is quite a large amount of both linguistic and archeological evidence that people inhabiting North Sulawesi are descendents of the Austronesian people who migrated southwards from China/Taiwan many years ago. Evidence to this effect can be referenced from publications such as:

'The Austronesians: Historical and comparative perspectives'. Edited by Bellwood, P, Fox, J, and Tyron, D. Published by ANU press 1995. (Specifically Chapter 5, pp112-113).

'Fertility, Food, and Fever', by Henley, David. Published in KITLV Press 2005 (Specifically the mention on page 19).

'Leadership and social mobility in a Southeast Asian society', by M.J.C Schouten. Published by KITLV Press Leiden 1998 (mention on page 12).

Can someone please fix this....anyone?

Dont be shy. You may amend the am section yourself if you like. Your sources seem valid enough. Rgds, Karl KARL RAN (talk) 13:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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