Talk:Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol

Critical success ?

For me, some citted average ratings - 77 % on Rotten Tomatoes and 73 % on Metacritic - does not reflect statement "received very strong positive reviews". Next, in an opening it states "became a critical and commercial success". So where is that "critical success" with no any meaningful awards and even no nominations ? While even "very strong positive" Rotten Tomatoes claims: "big-budget popcorn entertainment". Is it critical success ?

Plot bloat

An editor has began edit-warring in order to blot the plot beyond 700 words, in clear violation of WP:FILMPLOT. As per WP:BRD, after one is reverted, one is supposed to discuss the issue on the talk page and not edit-war. I invite the editor to do so.

Additionally, the plot of a movie does not contain anything not in the manifest content of the movie itself. If this film doesn't refer to "The Syndicate," then we can't say that it does.--Tenebrae (talk) 16:02, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Firstly, I am not the same editor who added the sentence in the first place, I'm just an editor who agreed with its addition and restored what I thought was a helpful addition, so retract the edit warring accusation please.

Secondly, the sentence in question is 24 words long. The actual displayed word count with the sentence is 720 words, a reasonable tolerance. Only an over-strict and pedantic reading of WP:FILMPLOT (which is explicitly phrased with flexible language) would remove the sentence based on length. Inflexibility like that is detrimental to congeniality and good writing.

Thirdly, the film does explicitly refer to the Syndicate by name. The message referred to by the sentence is in fact the last sentence of dialog spoken in the film. There is nobody making anything up here. Indeed, your comment, based on incorrect claims about the content of the film makes me question whether you've even seen the film.oknazevad (talk) 16:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Multiple editors worked extremely hard in 2011 to get the plot to within WP:FILMPLOT guidelines. It has been stable this way for 3 1/2 years, so clearly the plot can be contained within 700 words and there's no reason for it to go over the limit, a flexibility the guideline allows for films with complex narrative structures, like the fractured, nonlinear timeline of Pulp Fiction. There's no compelling reason to break the guideline when it's not necessary in order to present an encyclopedic plot, and it is especially important to keep plots within guidelines for genre films, since genre fans tend to want their favorite films' plots to be as long as possible.

If you want to add content about how this links to the sequel, it would be far more appropriate to add it to the "Sequel" section here. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

That's a very good idea. I'll see what I can come up with. oknazevad (talk) 18:51, 6 July 2015 (UTC)