Talk:Moldavian dialect

Merger proposal

The so-called "Moldovan language" is a Russian brainwashing propaganda invented to keep Eastern Moldavia as a separate entity, away from Romania. Meanwhile, the independent Moldova voted the Romanian language as the official language, removing this invented language as a concept. At most, Moldovan or rather Moldavian is a subdialect of the Romanian language. On this criteria, I wish you remind you the the "Moldovan Wikipedia" was merged with the Romanian Wikipedia many years ago, the two "languages" (if there ever were two) being identical. As such I propose the merger of the relevant content into Moldavian subdialect of Romanian. Parts of the article could also go to the History of Moldova, History of Romania and Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina.--Codrin.B (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support per above--Codrin.B (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. We did have this discussion at Romanian Wikipedia ages ago, and the conclusion was we should have different articles for Moldovan language and Moldavian subdialect of Romanian. The strange thing is that we concluded that for the precise reasons suggested by Codrinb above. The Moldovan language article should discuss the political issue about the name (Soviet propaganda, etc.), and Moldavian subdialect of Romanian should discuss the language characteristics of this variety (phonology, vocabulary, etc.). The rationale is obvious: the Moldovan subdialect is common on both sides of the Prut, while the political term "Moldovan language" is a distinct issue, wich only applied to easter Moldova (Basarabia). The whole discussion on ro.wiki, you can check here.--Danutz (talk) 15:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but as you noticed, the Moldovan language article contains linguistics aspects which should not be there. If it only treats the political and propaganda aspects, it is another thing. In the current form, the article and the concept is used and abused, here and elsewhere. For example on Commons, commons:Category:Moldovan language started to contain works of Dimitrie Cantemir and others, images with the Moldavian subdialect of Romanian and so on.--Codrin.B (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I rechecked the Moldovan language article and I find it deals precisely with the political issue:

• it starts with an introduction where it explains Moldovan is just a political name for Romanian language in Moldova and it explicitely states that it should not be confused with the Moldovan subdialect ("graiul moldovenesc")
• then it tells the history of the name, the fact that the naming is linked with the historical politics of the region; here there are indeed missing some facts, for instance the fact that foreign travellers to the region mentioned people used to call their language "Romanian" ("știi românește?" instead of "știi moldovenește"?) even in the Middle ages.
• then when it comes to linguistic aspects, it says that the spoken language is identical to the one used in Western Moldova
• then it treats the sociological aspects (current public opinion) under the title "Controversy".
• and finally it talks about the Cyrillic script formerly imposed by the Soviet Union politics of uniformity.

Of course the article could be restructured, but I find the current content adresses the political issue without interfering with linguistics. Compare ro.wiki's ro:graiul moldovenesc which treats the linguistics aspects in extenso.--Danutz (talk) 09:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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