Talk:Monacan Indian Nation

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Can we get confirmation that there was no identification of pre-1980's Amherst County Indians as Monacan? -- Hooponopono 02:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

There is no way to prove a negative. The fact that there is no evidence of any Monacan ID prior to Houck's book should be sufficient.Verklempt 04:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

There is, IN FACT, much historical confirmation regarding pre-1980's Amherst County (and others) Indians as Monacan. The Monacan Nation is the historical confederation (past and present) designation given to the tribes in the area by the Europeans settlers. Historically, Indian tribes of this region and others did not refer to themselves as other than, "The People", or "Our People". Tribal names were given, by others, as a way to delineate the various people in a given area. The Monacan Confederation originally consisted of the Tutelo, Manahoac, Saponi, Sara, and Monacan proper. Likewise, our Brothers, the Powhatan Confederacy, was made up of the Powhatans proper, Arrohatecks, Appamattucks, Pamunkeys, Mattaponis and Chiskiacks. The Treaties of Middle Plantation and Albany were both either signed by or created for the benefit of these tribes. As well, the major reason that "identification" of these tribes has not been deseminated to the general public is the apartheid legilation created by the State of Virginia in the 19th and 20th Centuries. It was against the LAW for one to indentify themself as INDIAN. It was against the LAW for a "White" person to marry a "Colored" person, etc., etc., etc. Finally, the Monacan and Powhatan people have lived in these areas since the beginning of European record-keeping. They never left the area as other tribes have, i.e., the Tuscarroras, (who joined the Five Nations) and others. Also, there is the fact that the Federal Government allowed the State of Virgiia (against the Constitution) to continue to utilize its sovereign powers over the tribes to this very day. Therefore, while there are two reservations, as treatied by the State, there were no Federal Treaties with the Virginia Indians.

This is an encylopedia. Reliable sources are required to substantiate arguments. Many of your contentions are factually incorrect.Verklempt 20:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Are we letting a little POV slip in here? "apartheid" . . . "unconstitutional" VirginiaProp 14:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I expect a little more, in an intellectual discussion, than "many of your contentions are factually incorrect". Could you please educate me as to the contention(s) that are incorrect according to your research? Also, which assertion(s) would you like to dispel? As for POV, perhaps you could correct me and explain how the terms are not descriptive of the circumstance.

Monacan2122 18:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Speculative conspiracy theory is not encyclopedic. Assertions that remain unsubstantiated by reliable sources are not encyclopedic.Verklempt 23:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Anti-miscegenation laws in Virginia of all places are hardly "Speculative conspiracy theories." I'm not at all arguing against you-- you may know much more on the topic than the rest of us. But it would be nice if you clarified your critique and what SPECIFICALLY you're attacking here. Because being off-handedly dismissive just makes you sound like you're pushing an agenda yourself. At least SOME of what Monacan21222 said is completely accurate. If some of it isn't, specify what isn't, present evidence, etc.--Leisurely historian (talk) 15:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

So, according to some of the amateur historians here, the Commonwealth of Virginia grants groups Native American status on the basis of mere unsubstantiated hearsay????? Either side should look at the laws granting that Indian status and cite from it. Karpaten1 (talk) 02:26, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Ten VA-recognized tribes?

An editor noted that more tribes had been recognized, but no new ones are listed on the Virginia Indian Tribes website. What is the source for the claim, and which tribes are they?--Parkwells (talk) 01:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The three additional state recognized tribes just got it last month and the Virginia Council on Indians website has not been update since the end of last year, last time I checked anyway. If you go to the Virginia Indians page you will see that I linked to the Passed legislation showing that the Nottoway, the Cheroenhaka (Nottoway), and the Patawomeck now have state recognition. Seeing as how you changed the number of state recognized tribes in the intro to that article I assume you already saw all this, but I figured I'd mention it in case anyone else asks the same thing.Sarah1607 (talk) 02:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I knew you were knowledgeable about this, so changed the intro - and figured to catch up with you or the news. Thanks for keeping this updated.--Parkwells (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that. And no problem about keeping things updated, I am just excited about having new state recognized tribes so I had to put stuff here on wikipedia about it. Thanks for helping, especially seeing as how I had not updated everywhere yet and as one person can miss things.Sarah1607 (talk) 14:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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More work needed

I came across this article almost by accident about a month ago, and don't know if I can clean it up by year's end, given my other responsibilities as well as very difficult wintertime road conditions in their now-core geographic area. Yesterday, I read digital sections of a 2018 book published by the UVA press about these people, and learned that they might be the largest as well as westernmost of all Virginia's native peoples. It is not cited here, nor does it mention the about dozen various mounds created by ancestors in and around the Blue Ridge area after about 1000A.D. (and excavated by Thomas Jefferson among others, as well as damaged by floods). Unfortunately, the Monacans also did not participate in the recent Amazon-funded Library of Virginia exhibit about Virginia's first peoples, which focused on Tidewater-area tribes. Part of the problem is that their sacred Bear Mountain is still mostly a dead internet zone, although about four miles uphill from Amherst County's public library. Another part was their long unwillingness to mention Walter Plecker and the devastation he and allies wrought. He had an especial hatred of these people, and may have originated labeling them the very perjorative "issue" (equivalent of the N-word, although used in the current article which unfortunately relies on a discredited 1926 Plecker-style study). I bought a tribal history, which a Northern Virginia library is now cataloguing so I can't consult it for a while.Jweaver28 (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)