Talk:Killing of Richard Oland

Primary Sources

There is a lot of information in this article based on primary sources (police documents, statements given to police, etc.). While primary sources are allowable, secondary sources should be added to support claims, especially when there is potential for BLP issues. T.C.Haliburton^{talk nerdy to me} 15:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Just to add, including suspects only named in primary sources is a violation of WP:BLPNAME, WP:BLPCRIME and WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE. T.C.Haliburton^{talk nerdy to me} 17:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Tchaliburton: There is a HUGE number of secondary sources used for the writing of this article. Originally when you had flagged the article with a POV tag without stating your rationale or any other communication, and no response to the message I had left on your talk page, then later no response to the message left on my talk page, primary sources were added as a supplement to the secondary sources.

Wikipedia guides have been followed for the writing of this article. Suspects named are named in and referenced to secondary sources and are not in violation of WP:BLPNAME, WP:BLPCRIME or WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE.

More secondary sources can certainly be added, that's not a problem. But by flagging the article without providing specific examples or any examples to substantiate your claims, it seems as though this page is turning into an editing war. I can't decide if you're trying to be a troll or if you are trying to be helpful.

I halted edits to this page awaiting a response from you.

What you are unhappy with is unclear. Please be more specific, or feel free to wait until the page has been constructed, then all of the issues can be tackled at once.

Let me know, thanks, J4ronow (talk) 17:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Too much detail

Seems a WP:BLP nightmare aimed at retrying a murder case in excruciating detail, and including persons who are not reasonably included, and timelines of no value to Wikipedia users. I have done some trimming, but this is still a mess. Collect (talk) 18:22, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Factual errors

The main problem with this article is that there are a number of factual errors. There are references cited, but the information is often either misinterpreted, or simply incorrect. Some examples:

"Families living within Rothesay, such as the Olands, the Irvings, the McCains, and the Crosbys, are considered "old money," claiming some of Canada's highest incomes per capita." The McCains are not from Rothesay, they are from Florenceville. The source cited does not even mention the McCains.

"McCloskey was later accused of suggesting that other officers lie under oath about his presence at the crime scene" This is inaccurate, the reference cited indicates that the Deputy Chief suggested this to one officer, not "officers".

"Shortly after being notified of the death, members of the Oland family, including Richard's wife Connie Oland, daughters Lisa Bustin and Jacqueline Walsh, and son Dennis Oland, arrived at the police station to give interviews and formal statements." This is inaccurate, the police came first to Connie and Richard Oland's home, where the family was gathered, where they were informed of events, and family members later went to the police station to be interviewed.

"Dennis said that in his teens, he had a complicated relationship with his father, but he believed this was due to his father being ex-military.". Richard Oland was not "ex-military" (Richard's father was). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.243.230 (talk) 00:16, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Timeline removed

I see the timeline has been removed - this is a big improvement. I was just starting to go through the inaccurate and false statements in this timeline. Very good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.243.230 (talk) 00:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Still contains factual errors

This is incorrect: "There was a backdoor 3 steps away from where Richard's body was found, leading to an alleyway that could have been an exit." This back door (not "backdoor") is in the foyer outside what was Richard Oland's office, not inside the office "3 steps away" from where the body was found. Beyond the back door are three steps that lead to the alleyway behind the building. This is clear in the reference cited, as well as in others cited by this article. This article still has many factual errors and misinterpretations of cited references - it is not only the case that there are things that are factually incorrect, there are things that directly contradict the references that are cited. Is there some kind of WikiPedia "tag" that can be added to this article to indicate that the article contains factual errors and misuse of citations? This article is about an ongoing legal case; allowing false and misleading information seems like something the WikiPedia community should not permit.

See Template:Failed verification. T.C.Haliburton^{talk nerdy to me} 05:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

"True Crime"

I don't normally comment on tone, but this reads like work of a failed true crime writer. It is not very encyclopedic. Also, many relevant details about the victim and his career should be in the article about him, not here. Verne Equinox (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Homicide of Marta Russo which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 20:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)