Talk:Demonyms for the United States
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Its name is problematic
editWhy don't we change it to "Demonyms of the United States" for better inclusiveness and conciseness, for: 1. Citizens are not the only United States people. 2. It's shorter that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Yoon (talk • contribs) 02:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- A short search suggests "Demonyms for" is more common grammatical formation than "Demonyms of". Otherwise, even though I think you're wrong that there's a problem; Citizens are the only people we're talking about - I lived in the States for three years, but I was never an American. But, that's understood in Demonym as well. I do like it better than the slightly ungrammatical title it has now, which reads like a newspaper headline sacrificing grammar for compactness. So, I'd support such a move, even though I think the suggested motivation is wrong (and don't think it would change the page to start including names for non-Americans living Stateside. WilyD 05:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm talking about nationals though. Nationals and citizens are not identical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Yoon (talk • contribs) 08:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- American Samoans ? I'm skeptical any of our sources are even going to specify whether they're including or excluding them. WilyD 20:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- lol no. I'm saying citizens and nationals are legally two different things. Consider someone who's of the American origin that is, say, a Chinese citizen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Yoon (talk • contribs) 01:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- They're legally distinct but not actually distinct in practice, because (apart from American Samoans) all American citizens are American Nationals, and vice versa United_States_nationality_law#Nationals. So most sources won't distinguish. But I'm happy with the move for other reasons, and it seems no one is objecting, so we could probably move it. WilyD 10:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- If they are a Chinese citizen it is highly unlikely that they have retained their American citizenship, so I'm not sure what your point is. The person in question would be a Chinese citizen of American origin. --Khajidha (talk) 13:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- lol no. I'm saying citizens and nationals are legally two different things. Consider someone who's of the American origin that is, say, a Chinese citizen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Yoon (talk • contribs) 01:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 15 October 2020
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
 | It was proposed in this section that Names for United States citizens be renamed and moved to Demonyms for the United States.
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Names for United States citizens → Demonyms for the United States – It's been suggested that Demonyms for the United States would be better, technically referring to people who are nationals but not citizens of the United States. The current title is also sort of a mess, should be United States' citizens, but even that's really newspaper headline shorthand for citizens of the United States, so the nice, succinct Demonyms for the United States is shorter, cleaner, and more grammatical. Since the origin discussion was a bit vague, I thought I'd just make a cleaner discussion. WilyD 13:26, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Rreagan007 (talk) 20:17, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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