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This article contains too many Vietnamese names

While the Vietnamese have nothing to do with this state other than the partial overlapping of territories, this article contains too many Vietnamese names. This could lead readers into thinking that Vietnam is a successor state of Nanyue, which is incorrect. Gustmeister (talk) 22:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

According to whom? From a Viet point of view, it was Viet territory that fell under Han Chinese domination for a thousand years. Part of the territory redeclared independence as the state of Dai Viet after the fall of the Tang dynasty. The Tay Son dynasty which had just defeated the Chinese invasion in the late 18th century had grand plans to demand the return of two provinces from China. It didn't come to pass due to the death of the emperor and internal strife that led to start of the Nguyen dynasty and the country being renamed as Viet Nam. To say this territory had nothing to do with Viet Nam is crazy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.82.143.130 (talk) 01:24, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Bookworm8899/gutmeister edits (blocked user)

The user gutmeister, a sock of bookworm8899 included many POV material. At first several of his sources about “Vietnamese nationalists” are from a blog and thus non-reliable source. Secondly it is not known what language the ancient baiyue spoke but most linguists agree that it was likely a Austroasiatic or kra-dai language. In the case on nanyue mostly all suggest a Austroasiatic language. The sock of gutmeister changed this with one source about chamberlain (who got heavily criticized from peiros(2011)) and push the POV of an only tai speaking yue. This was also the point why he got blocked. Now he try to reinclude his POV material by accusing different users as sock of WorldCreaterFighter or sock of satoshin kondo among others. He bow use several Ips (clearly a violation of Wikipedia policy(VPN Ips are not allowed). 212.95.8.138 (talk) 08:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Austrian IP addresses: 212.95.8.138, and 212.95.8.158, and User AmurTiger18 are WorldCreaterFighter / Satoshi Kondo, who is actually a Vietnamese pretending to be Japanese [1], trying to replace Tai-Kadai with Vietnamese. 75.172.127.91 (talk) 07:33, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Completely wrong. We deleted the mess left by sockpuppets of bookworm8899/gutmeister. He includes POV material ignoring Austroasiatic and hmong-mien language and push a kra-dai only agenda. And some of his included sources are from a nationalist blog, maybe even written by himself. And his behavior witg thiusand different sock IPs and ignoring of real discussions is non-encyclopedic and violates wikipedia policy. This can not be ignored. He replace sources aswell on the topic Baiyue and was blocked and stoped on the topic Yayoi people. 212.95.8.165 (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I would also like to add that user WorldCreaterFighter / Satoshi Kondo is not only a Vietnamese pretending to be Japanese [2], but it also appears that this person suffers from autistic Asperger's syndrome [3], [4]. It's intimidating that English Wikipedia attracts such kind of people roaming across the site. 153.136.96.148 (talk) 07:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Probably ... yes 153.136.96.148 (talk) 12:42, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Nanyue

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Nanyue's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Norman&Mei":

• From Baiyue: Norman, Jerry; Mei, Tsu-lin (1976). "The Austroasiatics in Ancient South China: Some Lexical Evidence" (PDF). Monumenta Serica. 32: 274–301. JSTOR 40726203.
• From Names of Vietnam: Norman, Jerry; Mei, Tsu-lin (1976). "The Austroasiatics in Ancient South China: Some Lexical Evidence". Monumenta Serica. 32: 274–301.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

"Han settlers"

@Vif12vf:: "What is to say that all these chinese settlers were Han? China has many groups considered chinese like the cantonese and the hui!"

Hui or Chinese Muslims are the only exclusively Chinese language-speaking ethnic group in the history that is not Han, but it did not exist back then; Cantonese people is a subset of the Han ethnicity. The more important problem with the "Chinese immigrants" expression, however, is that it implies that the locals are not Chinese. Since 111BC the former Nanyue lands have been continuously ruled by Chinese states for 2000 years, so if you agree with "China has many groups considered Chinese" you would certainly count them as some sort of Chinese minority. Esiymbro (talk) 13:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)