Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Columbus, Ohio

Hartman Stock Farm Historic District?

The location column says this is south of Columbus. Why is it on this list? --NE2 14:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Because it's officially listed in Columbus; the list was made quickly by taking out all sites listed for Columbus from the county list. It would be quite helpful if sites were always listed in the municipality or community in which they're really located, rather than sometimes being listed "near" a community as this district is. I've been going through the Ohio county lists, making sure that sites are listed here in the communities where they're officially located. When I get around to Franklin County, I'll move this site to where it belongs, unless of course you feel like making my job easier by doing it yourself :-) Nyttend (talk) 21:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Turns out that it really is within the city limits; accordingly, I've changed the description to "South of downtown Columbus". There's a mound that's listed as being "North of Columbus", but because I can't find any more information on its whereabouts, there's nowhere else I can put it. Nyttend (talk) 12:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Removed image

I have removed an incorrect image of the Indianola Junior High School, which was actually the Graham Expeditionary Middle School, although both buildings have housed the Indianola Junior High School. The NRHP-listed building is located at 420 East 19th Avenue (40.0038°N 82.9971°W / 40.0038; -82.9971). It can be seen here and in this video. kennethaw88 • talk 20:58, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Page to "big" with the addition of WikiData to the map

A recent edit caused the page to exceed Wikipedia's post expansion include size limit for templates.

As a result, templates at the bottom of the page may not show correctly.

I'm not sure what the best solution is. Normally, splitting the page is the easiest solution but I don't see a logical way to split this. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 22:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Huh, interesting. Pinging @Evad37: to see if they have any thoughts on this... Otherwise I may just want to remove {{Columbus, Ohio}}, it's not displayable on mobile anyhow. ɱ (talk) 23:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

As long as the list won't be growing soon, removing the former listings will bring us below the limit - barely. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 00:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Another option, also not so good, is to go back to listing latitudes and longitudes instead of relying on WikiData. There are 24 instances where WikiData is used. Each one counts about 4,000 bytes against the WP:PEIS limit, give or take.

If there are other pages at or near the limit, consideration should be given to rewriting Template:NRHP row to be mainly module-based, with perhaps just a small template "wrapper." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 00:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

(Later edit: This is a temporarily grumpy post, and my opinion changes a bit later in the discussion) Just remove the Wikidata map, if it's hurting regular Wikipedia features deep six it. People can look up addresses like back in the olden days if they're interested. Going to give Wbm1058 to see if a coding solution exists. And Happy 2021 all! Randy Kryn (talk) 03:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

p.s. clicked on it and just saw more of the blue labels in an off-site format. Loading up Wikipedia pages with this kind of stuff arguably lessens the page, not enhances it. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: Please try to support me here Randy - I am actively working to better the history of Columbus, countless hours and with no received gratitude. First off, it's not a "Wikidata map", it's just one that works fine on any page using the existing coords, but I am creating a higher degree of accuracy through Wikidata. Secondly, it's only "hurting" a navbox that only appears on desktop Wikipedia and at the far bottom of the page, not central to this article and not likely to receive many views. Thirdly, sure people can look up addresses, but that's not very useful even to me as a historian/researcher. The map shows relationships (sites within a neighborhood, sites in relation to others, geographic distribution of sites, etc.), something impossible to accomplish through individual searches for sites. Fourthly, {{Maplink}} does not utilize an "off-site format", are you referring to the link below the map? That page has an incredibly poor, glitchy interface, far subpar to Maplink. I am not sure how mapping out historic sites "lessens the page" when it increases understanding of historic sites within an area, and we've been mapping out these sites in these articles for well over a decade. Care to elaborate? ɱ (talk) 03:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Finally, it appears that wbm solved the issue, so please next time skip out on being quick to criticize. ɱ (talk) 03:57, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I like the map at the top of the page with the links to the articles about the site at each pinned location on the map. I substituted the {{Columbus, Ohio}} navbar template at the bottom of the page. That got the include size down to 2,085,183 bytes which is just under the 2,097,152 byte limit. I'm not a fan of navigation "bars" which take up half the space on my widescreen desktop monitor when expanded. Both the map and the former listings are more useful than that. You could split out just the History of Columbus, Ohio section of the navigation template to a more reasonably sized Template:History of Columbus, Ohio and maybe squeeze just inside the limit, and then not need to subst: the template. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Good for Wbm and the expertise that comes with him. Critical comments are fine, and Wikidata creep into Wikipedia pages has resulted in oversize maps in infoboxes to obvious cities and other features which can, as was first evident here before Wbm, some editors were just fine with crowding out long-established features like templates. I'm sure it's an interesting and time consuming project, and apparently very well done, and didn't know it was yours so congratulations. As for the giant useless Wikidata maps in many infoboxes now (and as mentioned, these should be removed if they point to all-too-common cities) if this one is to become a standard feature I hope that fixes like Wbm came up with are taken into consideration. Best of New Year to you. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I am not a Wikidata editor by any means, I just use it when necessary to get a result I am trying to achieve. I'll skip discussing the merits of making the online encyclopedia more interactive and sophisticated. I think the problem posted by the OP is now answered sufficiently @Davidwr:? ɱ (talk) 04:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Now there's a new problem - what happens when someone updates {{Columbus, Ohio}}. Also, there's not much headroom for new entries on the list. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 04:41, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I could manually update it, I do more tedious tasks every week, but I will aim to create a history navbox instead, as requested. ɱ (talk) 04:57, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Apologies Mj if my criticism was too harsh, and in clicking around I can see the benefit of your interactive box. That must have been a hell of a coding job to get everything to run right. To me it seems extremely cluttered, but I guess younger readers are used to such devices to navigate, and it's second-nature to them. Is this the first place such a box is being deployed? Although I personally would experience it as map-clutter, I suppose this thing would be useful for some readers on almost all of the World Heritage Site and other "Here be dragons and treasure" list pages, and is equivalent to another navigational tool such as templates and categories. I've added a note to my rant above. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, Click once on the map and it expands to fill your monitor screen, replacing the article. Then look in the upper left corner for the + and – buttons. Click on the + a few times and it will look less cluttered, then you can hold down your left mouse button to drag the map around to different sectors of the city. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for considering my side here. Thanks to Evad37 it doesn't really take much coding for editors at all, though I helped with bug fixing for this first rollout, and it does emulate my long-coded map at Columbus Register of Historic Properties (which differs as it shows locally-listed landmarks). That map took much more effort, though it has the added benefit of displaying historic district boundaries as well. ɱ (talk) 11:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Template:History of Columbus, Ohio split from Template:Columbus, Ohio, as previously suggested at Template talk:Columbus, Ohio#Sub-templates, and now expanded on this page, which now uses 2,050,643 of maximum 2,097,152 bytes expansion size, so just a bit of headroom for adding more entries to the list. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)