Talk:National Training School for Music

Alumni

I've added a few. (Please don't hesitate to revamp my refs if wanted.) Tim riley talk 05:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Title

Thanks for this new article: satisfying and a pleasure to read. But I wonder about the title. The institution was never "of Music", but was always "for" it. See Grove, the ODNB, and The Times passim. I really think we ought to move the article to the correct title. Do other editors have a view on this? Tim riley talk 13:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I had always understood that it was "for", and we should rely on The Times and Grove, unless there is strong evidence to the contrary. 4meter4, what sources do you have that say "of"? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ssilvers and Tim riley I am fine with either title and have no strong preference. The Oxford Dictionary of Music entry uses only "National Training School of Music". That is the second cited source (see here. In searching Grove, there doesn't appear to be consistent usage. The "entry" "National Training School for Music" has no author and is a redirect to the RSM article. There are several biographical entries in Grove that use "National Training School of Music" and several that use "National Training School for Music". The reason I chose "of" instead of "for" was because Grove uses both in various entries and the ODN only one. But given the other sources above, it looks like "for" may be the better choice. I am fine with retitling if that is the preference expressed here. Either way, both titles should be in the lead. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 00:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. Shame on the Oxford University Press for shilly-shallying about the name of the institution! Not that The Times of the 1870s was completely consistent: a couple of "of"s crept in among the "for"s. I still think "for" is correct, but for my own part I'm not inclined to press the point further. Tim riley talk 08:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I would prefer to change the name to the one (most often) used contemporarily by The Times, but I leave the decision to you, User:4meter4. Let me know if you need help correcting it on any of the pages that link it, unless a bot will do that automatically. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok. It looks like we will need an admin to move it over the redirect. Do you mind taking care of it Ssilvers?4meter4 (talk) 17:35, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I've asked User:Johnuniq if he would help us. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

That's done. The redirect is now National Training School of Music. Johnuniq (talk) 23:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)