Talk:Neoconservatism
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1980's
editI deleted the section on the 1980s, and this deletion was reverted. If this article is going to have a chronological section, it is ridiculous that the only thing mentioned for the entire 1980s is a single article published in a Israeli journal that has nothing to do with neo-conservativism because of conspiracy theories about Israel's intentions towards the Arab world.
The person who reverted it justified it because otherwise the discussion of Perle's Report in the 1990s would otherwise make no sense. False. They are not attempting a viewpoint neutral discussion of that report, but rather using a tendentious description of it as an update on the 1980s article based on another obscure book. You can describe the Clean Break Point on its own merits without all the conspiracy theories in the section on the 1990s if you want. If you want to bring up the Yinon article in that context, fine. But this is clearly biased as is. There were many neoconservatives writing in the 1980s. They had a real impact on Ronald Reagan's policy. Having the only reference in the entire decade one to a this article is transparently an attempt to paint neo-conservativism as a Jewish plot.Original Position (talk) 21:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Post-Neoconservative era
editPolitical monitors throughout the early 21st century have been preparing for a post-Neoconservative American era.[1][2]
References
edit- ^ "After Neoconservatism", FRANCIS FUKUYAMA. New York Times. February 19, 2006. Accessed June 8, 2011
- ^ "A Post Neo-Conservative Foreign Policy", Don McKinnon. Commonwealth Secretariat. June 19, 2007. Accessed June 8, 2011
Inclusion of Oriana Fallaci on list of neoconservatives.
editThe inclusion of Oriana Fallaci on this list seems wrong to me. She was not associated closely with any of the other movement neoconservatives. During the time that the neoconservative was completely focused on the projection of American power abroad and the Iraq war she wrote mostly about domestic issues in Italy, in Italian! She properly fits into the European New Right, a group which is at odds with the Neoconservative movemnet much more than they agree with them.
I'm un-clear on the process which was used to assemble this list but I would like to start a discussion about removing Fallaci. She is deceased and can not speak for herself on this matter, so extra care devolves to the editors to not mischaracterize her. Have no doubt that for many people this is a rogues gallery, and so including people here can be seen as a risk for score settling and mischief making in character destruction and ongoing political disputes.
meta for Google
editFor whatever reason, when one Google's "neoconservative", the abstract that pops up under the Wikipedia link reads:
"Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among conservative leaning Democrats who became disenchanted with the party's foreign policy."
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Nikki Haley
editGuys with the current attention to the 2024 presidential election and all I’ve been wondering if you guys think Nikki Haley qualifies as a neocon and if so we can put her in this page and expand it to acknowledge that yes there still are neocons in the GOP 99.232.236.142 (talk) 08:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah she would be,and yeah neocons never left the Republican party as there were plenty of them in the Trump administration 2600:8801:FB13:6B00:7D0D:489A:1AD4:29DF (talk) 06:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I agree here but Haley stands out this election cycle as she’s basically the figurehead of the neocons left in the GOP whereas Trump has increasingly become isolationist so we could expect miss less neocon influence should he be re-elected. Overall yeah I think someone doing an edit should mention Nikki Haley as the figurehead of the neocons left in the GOP 99.232.236.142 (talk) 20:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- No. If Neoconservatives come from the left then Nikki Haley would be the opposite of a Neoconservative. Idrawrobots (talk) 17:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- some neocons were liberals who turned to conservatism but not all of them 2600:8801:FB13:6B00:D4A1:691D:8813:A241 (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)