Talk:Neverwinter (video game)

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There is another article Neverwinter (Cryptic Studios) that has valuable information in it that this article could use. Major Merger Needed. --Schmeater (talk) 03:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Part of the Neverwinter Nights series?

Has Cryptic Studios (or anyone who should know) actually stated that this is part of the "Neverwinter Nights", or does this game just have a coincidentally similar name because it takes place in the same city? Do events and characters from the first two games have anything to do with the setting in this one? We can't assume that this is the next part of the series if the title is not "Neverwinter Nights III" or even "Neverwinter Nights anything", unless the publisher has actually come out and said as much. BOZ (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, judging from the last Neverwinter Nights MMO, which is part of the Savage Frontier series, no arguement their which has been proven many times before. This is likely the end of the Neverwinter Nights series and the start of a new series, while not part of that new series. I wanted to put that out there. And yes, they have confirmed it. The game is said to take place 100 years after Neverwinter Nights 2 and during that peroid a plague struck the city which caused the biggest city in the Lord's Alliance to crumble. You wanted facts, you got facts. [--Schmeater (talk)

According to the official press blurb, this game is based on a new novel series.[1] Doesn't say anything about Nights. We sure would appreciate a source for the supposed facts you mention. Ham Pastrami (talk) 11:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes but that's a novel. As you can see clearly with Icewind Dale novels usually have nothing to do with the actual series. And in that same blurb it says they're so honoured to work with a great franchise. And check this out for size: [2]. What does it say the Neverwinter Nights Series returns, but does it say that it's Neverwinter Nights 3. No. More proof you may ask check this out, Cryptic has confirmed it: [3]. --Schmeater (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, so it is a sequel, a follow-up to NWN. But it's not explictly "part of" the series, so much as its successor - I'm going to edit the page to reflect that. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 04:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

No it says it's a sequel to Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2. I'm pretty sure that's the evidence you need and the website says the neverwinter Nights series returns. It's part of the series. --Schmeater (talk) 22:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You could infer from that statement that this game is part of the Neverwinter Nights series, or you could infer that it is part of that series in the sense of having come afterwards (in the same sense that the two Star Wars trilogies are part of the same storyline, but are ultimately two separate stories), so it is ambiguous. The quote from Emmert is more specific in the sense that he is clearly stating that this game is a sequel to the original series. If you really want to put it as being part of the series, I guess you can do that, but you can consider me less than convinced. BOZ (talk) 22:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Having said that, your latest edit seems like a fair compromise. BOZ (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

It is minimally "evidence" in that a claim is being explicitly made by the first party. However, there has yet been no information to substantiate how the game directly follows from Nights. It looks very much like it is being called a sequel only for marketing purposes. For the time being, as we have no other sources to work with, it would suffice to call it a part of the series, but I suspect that will change once independent sources (game reviews) weigh in after the game is released. Ham Pastrami (talk) 23:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

What does Icewind Dale have to do with it? IWD the game was not based on any novel, nor was it claimed to. This game, Neverwinter, is explicitly based on the novels, and not on the content of the Nights games. The word franchise has an explicitly different meaning from the word series, the former indicates shared use of an IP that is not directly related to other uses (i.e. a spin-off). So yes, I'd very much agree that this game is part of Atari's Neverwinter franchise, and not the Nights series. Ham Pastrami (talk) 23:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You Noob! Are you not reading any of this. Those books are based off of the game, not the other way around. I was using the Icewind Dale books as an analogy. And it even says that there will be connections between the two games of Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 and Neverwinter through Easter Eggs and some certain other things. Can't remember if it was characters or factions or something completly different. --Schmeater (talk) 23:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's what a "claim" is. They haven't shown any evidence of it, nor is anything they do show necessarily tied to Nights, rather than the D&D source material which Nights also used. FYI, the press release states: Book one in Salvatore's Neverwinter trilogy, titled Gauntlgrym, releases on October 5 of this year and lays the groundwork for the Neverwinter storyline. And from Massively: It's based on 4th edition D&D, set for launch in 2011, and is inspired by R.A. Salvatore's upcoming trilogy.[4] Let me get you a ring of +1 Reading Comprehension: the game is based on the books. Ham Pastrami (talk) 00:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

It may interest those involved in this discussion to know that on the back of the box for the original Icewind Dale it said "Inspired by the Icewind Dale Trilogy by R.A.Salvatore" I will always remember that as it got me into a great book series. As for there being nothing about the novels in the game, that is correct provided you ignore the crystal tower at the end of the game taken directly from the novels. And the fact that the narrator was revealed to be a major villain from the novels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.209.71 (talk) 01:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Get it straight. Without the game there would be no Books. Without the books there would still be a game. --Schmeater (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I have made a tentative edit based on information publishes by Atari in the official game site. I am not sure I am correct so please feel free to dispute the reference I added but I hope it may clear things up somewhat 148.197.98.22 (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

D&D Rating

I just had a go at rating the article by the D&D project guidelines, though am not totally sure my rating is all correct, so if anyone with more experiance could take a look I would be very grateful, I checked the citations for validity somewhat, and read over the article a few times and have left a few comments both in comments on this page and noted one bad citation on the main article, though if there is anything I have missed, or the page meets a different grade to that I set it at please change it. 148.197.98.22 (talk) 09:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

It's kind of on the short side, which is probably why it was rated a stub. Although, I'm not sure if it's got quite enough to meet C-class just yet, so it might be better off as a start. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 17:07, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I've rated it start class Racklever (talk) 18:36, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Development Section

This section alleges companies suing each other and even boasts internal reasoning, without providing any links or citations. Some story aboout fans concluding this and that with no evidence to back this up. Atop that, it is badly written. Please, someone who knows what they're doing, clean it up. If this did indeed go down, let's see the links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.219.21.170 (talk) 22:01, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I removed the obvious fan speculation, and put citation requests on the rest. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 22:19, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I havent heard of this, and could not find anything on google I think it is more speculation. Granted I did not search very long.Meatsgains (talk) 01:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Criticism

There's probably enough material out there now to start a criticism section. The game hs been plauged by constant problems programme and gameplay wise, it's even been said that this is in no way a true D&D game and their trying to ride on a franchise name to make money. I'd do it myself but... Skirmish event is on soon :) too busy playing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.250.138.33 (talk) 16:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

As long as you can find material in reliable sources, and not just fan forums or whatnot, I say go for it. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 19:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

There should be a reception section, not one strictly for criticism. --SubSeven (talk) 19:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

No score yet on Metacritic so this may still be too early (release is only 10 days away though). Definitely avoid user/fan posts on forums and stick with reliable sources. DP76764 (Talk) 19:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Copy edit review

Hello. I'm Deadbeef from the GOCE. This article is likely to expand at least 2x as it becomes updated with more recent information; therefore, I've replaced the {{copy edit}} tag with an {{update}} tag. This will ensure that a major copy edit will have a lasting effect. Thanks, Deadbeef 22:01, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, it was copyedited just a few weeks ago.[5] 129.33.19.254 (talk) 22:13, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Question

I participated in the Alpha test period, which happened before the stated Closed Beta period. I actually don't know when it officially started, but I got my invitation in late January 2013, and it appeared that I came into Alpha after the first test run (they did it in scheduled test runs), so I *think* Alpha probably started somewhere around the first of 2013. Cryptic was very quiet about it and required participants sign an NDA before being allowed to participate. They officially released us from the NDA once Open Beta started but not while Closed Beta was underway, as Alpha was still happening at the same time. In my opinion Closed Beta was, effectively, a marketing gimmick to sell "Founder's Packs" (which are now called "Hero of the North" packs), but that's complete supposition.

Since both Open and Closed beta are mentioned here, is it worth including mention of Alpha as well? There is NO documentation that I know of to include as a reference, other than my own personal email - the Alpha forum was shut down when Open Beta began. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.213.42.131 (talk) 14:45, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The lack of documentation could be a problem. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 15:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Improvements

I have actually played the game and this article does not do justice to the complexity of the game. For instance there is no mention of the classes, races, or locations used in the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WurmRider (talk • contribs) 14:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. 2601:240:C703:5340:102D:B603:C45E:5C30 (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

It is goood to add introduction of classes and races. comment added by chwu9200 (talk · contribs) 7:17 am Wednesday, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Development and release

"Atari bought Cryptic Studios in the fall of 2009." but according to MOS:SEASON "Avoid the use of seasons to refer to a particular time of year (winter 1995) as such uses are ambiguous: the seasons are six months apart in the northern and southern hemispheres, and areas near the equator have only wet and dry seasons." So if someone can figure out what quarter of the year should have been written instead of the ambiguous, obscure and misleading "fall" (which most people will interpret to mean the "decline" of 2009, or the last few weeks / months before New Years into 2010) please can they do so. Thanks! 110.150.201.136 (talk) 04:22, 2 February 2018 (UTC)