Talk:New Alternative Party (South Korea)

Title issues

I and Garam are currently having conflicts due to its title.

At first, I created the article with "New Alternatives". The medias also used the same terms and till now didn't have any issues. But since yesterday, Garam moved this page to "New Alternative Party" without explaining any valid reasons. So I reverted it and also provided the sources by Googling. But then I have faced another issues; Garam moved again and accused me for disruptive editing. The user also warned that I may be blocked for my editing.

• http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=282308
  • Rep. Park Jie-won of minor opposition the New Alternatives, which had been a part of the People's Party, said people in the Jeolla region would not support Ahn again.

• http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/924406.html
  • A bill approving the appointment of Chung Sye-kyun as prime minister passed the National Assembly on Jan. 13. Chung received a majority of the anonymously conducted vote, with the support of the Democratic Party, the Bareunmirae Party, the Justice Party, the Party for Democracy and Peace, and the New Alternatives, though not of the New Conservative Party or the Liberty Korea Party (LKP).

• https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20191210009552315?
  • The ruling party has formed an ad-hoc consultative body with the Justice Party, Bareunmirae, the Party for Democracy and Peace and New Alternatives for the handling of a host of pending bills, as this year's regular session of the National Assembly is slated to end on Tuesday.

• http://www.donga.com/en/article/all/20191212/1925425/1/A-greedy-National-Assembly
  • However, the so-called “4+1 coalition” consisting of the Democratic Party of Korea, the Bareunmirae Party, the Justice Party and the New Alternatives, which is not even a political party, discussed the budget and then put it to vote, which passed in the plenary session.--Jolin254 (talk) 23:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Although I couldn't find the official name of the party, but by Googling, "New Alternatives" were used more than "New Alternative Party". Here are the proves.

Garam also said that all parties with "당 (party)" should be translated as "party". But in Korean media, putting "당" is very customary, regardless of its official status. The notable examples are Liberal Democrats, The Republicans and The Left (Germany). All these are translated as 자유민주당, 공화당, 좌파당 in Korean media, but the literal meaning of Korean translations are Liberal Democratic Party, Republican Party and Left Party (by the way, "Left Party" or "Linkspartei" is also commonly used in German media). Even in another examples, Christian Democratic Union of Germany and Alternative for Germany is frequently translated as 기독교민주당 and 대안당 respectively, though no word "당 (party)" is in their names.

I would like to ask help to administrator to deal with this conflicts. I can find many users reverting regardless of any worriness, but I'm sure Garam will request to block me if I take additional reverting. So far I have checked Garam's past contributions and discussion page and the user provoked various controversies with another users but accusing the others for disruptive editing. I have also found out that Garam had been blocked 10 years ago due to the disruptive editing (I also checked Garam in Korean Wikipedia and the user was frequently criticised and blocked for similar reasons).

So I seek a help to administrators, as both of us are not enough to deal with this issue. Thank you.Jolin254 (talk) 12:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 28 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 20:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

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New Alternatives → New Alternative Party (South Korea) – There has been an edit war over the formally correct title, the transliterated title, the most commonly-used title, etc. See above, and somewhat less friendly talk at user pages. I am not one of the parties to this discussion, although I have reverted some breaking changes around the periphery (eg. the change of New Alternatives from a redirect (following move) to this page to a disambiguation page). I won't make any recommendation on the preferred article title. Names that have been suggested (and tried, and re-tried!) so far include:

• New Alternatives - original article title, possibly preferred by one party
• New Alternative Party (South Korea) - preferred by one warring party
• New Alternatives (South Korea) - current title (as of me typing!)

Please desist from edit-warring pending the outcome of the discussion, and certainly don't move the article during the discussion which will cause immense confusion. Lithopsian (talk) 15:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 17:22, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

• Procedural comment. The stable title of the article has been restored and move protection applied. Please do participate in the discussion as suggested by Lithopsian. In particular, Garam, you moved the page several times after moves had been objected to. This is in violation of WP:RMUM, because after the first reversion it is clear that subsequent moves are controversial and require discussion. This could be grounds for revoking the page mover flag. Please do not do this again in the future. You have been notified before that this is not satisfactory. Dekimasuよ! 15:50, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• In first, now I worry about your attitude to me. Here is not my user talk page, and you just wrote this page without ping me. So, I think these ways are not good I said before.

And this is a valid moving. Because at that time, "New Alternatives" is a redirection article of "New Alternative" and user Jolin254 moved this aritlce to "New Alternatives (South Korea)". So, I reverted it. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 11:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• To move a page boldly is valid. To move a page again after the move has been reverted is not valid. The page was at "New Alternatives" and you moved it to "New Alternative Party (South Korea"). After it was reverted, you did it again. Dekimasuよ! 13:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• You are editing Wikipedia every day, but other people do not edit Wikipedia every day. So, they forgot about edits in the past. I still feel you stalk my edits until now. If it is not true, how to remember about it about 1 years ago? And I already said, the article name is not correct because main title "New Alternatives" did not exist at that time. So, I reverted user Jolin254's edit at that time, and it is valid. --Garam (talk) 21:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Garam, I remember it because I specifically warned you about it in relation to moving South Korean political parties; there are only about 5 page movers I have ever had to warn about their moves, and there are only 300 editors with the page mover flag on the whole site. They are held to a high standard. I do not stalk your edits. This page appeared on the list at Wikipedia:Requested moves, which was the only reason I noticed it. As before, the more important question is what you will do in the future. It is important to remember not to perform a move again once it has been reverted. Can you remember that even if you don't edit Wikipedia every day? Dekimasuよ! 01:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment This name should be created as disambiguate page, in order to differentiate from other parties that name after New Alternatives such as in Thailand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.69.53.66 (talk) 00:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support. I found an English-language source that uses the proposed form here: "3 minor opposition parties to merge for April 15 general elections." We need to hurry up since this party might not be around for much longer. Colin Gerhard (talk) 15:40, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support New Alternative Party (South Korea). The phrase "New Alternatives" is too generic to likely refer primarily to a single political party in a single mid-sized country. BD2412 T 23:17, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support. The current is too brief, is not a simple translation, is ambiguous with generic meanings. Especially for something so new. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

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