Talk:New beat

Belgian Techno

There's a big problem with this page. While covering Hard Beat and Skizzo under New Beat is fine, Belgian Techno was far, far bigger and more popular. CJ Bolland and the MNO crew (releasing material as Praga Khan feat. Jade 4U, Lords of Acid, Channel X and Digital Orgasm) were a huge part in the development of rave and Euro techno (Injected with a Poison was a hit in the UK). Donnacha (talk) 12:52, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@ Donnachadelong: I totally agree, we should make a separate article for Belgian Techno. I can start it and would be great if you contribute to it. Also, we should fix the New Beat one. There's quite a subtle trasition from Hard Beat and Skizzo to Belgian Techno. Neki9999(talk) 18:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Great sources to start the new article and fix this one:

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/TheScientist/rym-ultimate-box-set-belgian-techno/

http://www.poesienoire.com/mirrors/www.robotnik.com-synthesis/bnbeat.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neki9999 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

https://www.discogs.com/es/lists/Rave-Techno-Compilations-Early-Hardcore-Techno-from-90-to-93/950572

https://music.ishkur.com/

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Simon-Reynolds/dp/1593764073/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=energy+flash+simon+reynolds&qid=1645134687&sprefix=energy+flash%2Caps%2C260&sr=8-1

@ Donnachadelong: I made an update including the distinction between stritly New Beat bands and those that correspond to the later Belgian Hardcore offshoot. Also, a few days ago I submitted a draft for a Belgian Hardcore Techno article, that covers in detail this early style of Hardcore Techno that emerged from New Beat, as described in several books and articles, such as Simon Reynolds' Energy Flash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neki9999 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: Belgian techno now redirects to Belgian hardcore techno, a new article dedicated to this spin off from New beat. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_hardcore_techno ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neki9999 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

BPM?

Does anybody know the average BPM of New Beat? 83.76.229.140 (talk) 19:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Roland Bellucci explains: "From our point of view the tempo is important - the slow beat, between 90 and 115 beats per minute. In the beginning we did a lot of tracks at 90 bpm, then it became a little faster."

(probably 124 BPM or less?) Johnvr4 (talk) 13:21, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Origin of New Beat

There's a strange duplication in this article. The generally accepted story of New Beat's origin is the one in Richard Noise's NME article - DJ Marc Grouls played 'Flesh' by A Split Second at 33rpm. No legend involved, and no need for the line about the so-called "legend". {{help}} Could any one tell me what the term "A new beat needs a new rest" means? This is a professional term in music. Thax

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what {{helpme}} is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.  Chzz  ►  20:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, in a recent (september 2009) article in HUMO magazine, Marc Grouls sais he's unsure who was first to slow down that particular song. So, I think that labeling it as a legend is fair. Fiji101 (talk) 11:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The legend I heard is the same, but the record initiating the movement would rather be "look from a hilltop" by Section 25. 37.157.153.80 (talk) 09:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Review by music expert??

I removed the Terminology section, as it appeared that the section remained without references since 2008. In regard to the remainder of the article, does it still need the eye of a music expert?--Soulparadox (talk) 00:14, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

There are definitely some sources out there that could be used for the section you pulled. Here are a couple:

• Sicko, Dan. Techno Rebels: The Renegades of Electronic Funk. ISBN 9780814334386.
• Reynolds, Simon. Generation Ecstasy: Into the World of Techno and Rave Culture. ISBN 9781136783173.

Those are just the first couple I found in Google Books. They seem to support the connection between Belgian new beat and the acid house genre. Probably the tag at top could just be changed to say the article needs more sources. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 01:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Fair call—I wish it didn't take six years for these to be uncovered. I will use these for a revision. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Additional sources for development

• A Lesson on Belgian New Beat History with Peter Van Hoesen Part I and Part II

• New Beat: One Nation Under A (Slowed Down) Groove by Richard Noise (a.k.a. Richard Norris of The Grid!)
• Belgian New Beat Assembled w/original text by John MacMaster (mirror of defunct robotnik.com)
• NIEUW-BEAT: The New Beat of Belgium by Matthew Collin Johnvr4 (talk) 13:18, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 16 March 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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New Beat → New beat – Per MOS:GENRECAPS, music genres are not capitalised. The same was done for new wave music and new-age music which were capitalised before then moved to lower case. Hiddenstranger (talk) 07:48, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Should be moved ASAP. Micro (Talk) 07:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support the article content already uses this case anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:58, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

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