Talk:Nico Hülkenberg

nothing about the maldanado debacle?

A lot of F1 experts and commentators were critical of williams move to replace Nico with Maldando, who has been painted with the "pay -driver" brush. given the brevity of his F1 career and how much it changed his career for the time being, might even warrant being in the lede.66.190.31.229 (talk) 21:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Move discussions are not votes, if it were the page would not have been moved. In this case the strongest arguments were offered by those who were in favor of moving. This was mainly based on the facts supporting the position that the new name is in fact supported by common usage in reliable sources. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Nico Hülkenberg → Nico Hulkenberg – The medias doesn't include diacritics. --180.183.138.71 (talk) 09:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Disagree per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Proper names#Diacritics and other, normal naming conventions. Bretonbanquet (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Comment per http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/drivers/840/ , the official source doesn't include diacritics, but Kimi Raikkonen have it.

Disagree per Bretonbanquet. DH85868993 (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support per indication that "Kimi Räikkönen" has accents and Nico does not at F1 site, and in English-language media [1] -- WP:Use English , WP:COMMONNAME . 65.92.181.184 (talk) 03:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support. I get 10 English-language post-2005 Google Book hits for the version of the name with the diacritic. That's out of 74 (23 deghosted) hits total for this subject. The official F1 sources certainly drop it as you can see in the link given above. The printed F1 record books do the same. "Follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language", according to WP:DIACRITICS. This is the guideline that addresses the issue of diacritics in titles most specifically. Kauffner (talk) 17:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Comment F1.com is not noted for its accuracy. FORIX use the diacritic, as do Hulkenberg's official Facebook and Twitter pages. Also remember that his name without the diacritic does redirect to the right page. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

On the other hand, his own official website drops the diacritic for the English language pages yet retains it for the German pages. Go figure. Personally, I don't care either way, I just thought it was curious. Pyrope 18:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Disagree per Bretonbanquet. If the diacritics are correct I see no reason not to use them. QueenCake (talk)

• Comment. This is just a single umlaut, so it's no biggee. But there are many names where the diacritics are both intense and outside the norms of English-language usage. In general, the reason to use the most common English-language spelling is to inform the reader, let him know what the standard spelling for this subject is. Diacritics make a title harder to search for and harder to link to, so the default should be to drop the diacritic. Either way, the version of the name with diacritics should be given in boldface in the opening sentence. Kauffner (talk) 03:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

No, diacritics don't make the title harder to search for or link to because all other spellings redirect to the article in question. So searching and linking is not affected. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Most readers come to articles via Google, which doesn't use our redirects. As for links, it is good form for them to correspond to the article title. If the form with diacritics is not the common name, then perhaps it should be not be used in the links. It is inconsistent to argue that the diacritic should be used in the title, but not in the links. Kauffner (talk) 01:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

A google search without using the umlaut still throws up this article. All mainspace links currently use the umlaut, and neither I nor anyone else is arguing that the umlaut should not be used in the title but not the links. It's worth noting that moving this article will screw up all the hundreds of links that currently lead to this article. It is not possible to determine whether the name without the umlaut is the common name (I doubt it) or just laziness on the part of some journalists (likely). It's also worth noting that removing the umlaut changes the pronunciation of the name. Why be wrong? Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

For many titles with diacritics, Google puts the redirect first or second, or it pulls up a section of the article that was accidentally left in ASCII. Of course, the tech stuff is not our problem. The reason to remove the umlaut is that this is correct English-language usage. His full German name, including the diacritic, can be given boldface in the opening. Kauffner (talk) 02:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

• Disagree. Omitting the diacritic in a source could easily be a mistake or laziness or whatever. Having it on his Twitter and Facebook pages would clearly be intentional. - mspete93 19:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose per Bretonbanquet. Just because English-language sources often omit the umlaut, whether it's due to ignorance or convenience, there's no reason to stop using it here.--Midgrid(talk) 20:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose per Bretonbanquet. It's more likely that some websites don't use the umlaut because there is no key on their keyboard to insert one. Readro (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. Let's leave the correct spelling on the article, it is more accurate. As the English spelling without the umlaut redirects to the actual page, there is no reason to change it. Maimai009 21:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment as noted by Pyrope, he himself drops the accent in his English language website, while his German language site does use the accent. 65.92.180.130 (talk) 04:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Comment As noted by Readro, people editing the English version of his website probably use Qwerty keyboards, thus can't insert Ü. And it's faster to type U than Ü. Maimai009 08:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose per Bretonbanquent, agree with Readro also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editadam (talk • contribs) 22:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose It's a needless & silly change. Why would we bow to English usage? Do we for Dönitz? No; redirects handle it. Nor should we here. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 09:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• WP:UE says, "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage". That's a policy. Kauffner (talk) 11:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. Consensus is that diacritics should be used, as demonstrated by the huge number of articles with diacritics in their name. Readro (talk) 12:14, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

• The titles were moved en masse and without RMs by a small group of editors soon after Wiki got UFT-8, so that doesn't show anything. Moving them back often requires admin assistance or an RM. Despite several RfCs, there has never been a consensus to change the existing policy. Kauffner (talk) 01:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. Like other major English-language reference works, we use actual anglicized spellings but not mere common (mis)spellings. Prolog (talk) 21:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support. As per the BBC. Bjmullan (talk) 00:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. I get 1,480 post-2005 Google News hits for "Nico Hulkenberg" race driver German, 77 for "Nico Hülkenberg" race driver German -"Nico Hulkenberg". That's 5 percent usage for the diacritic. Kauffner (talk) 02:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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Closure

This ridiculous closure is contested at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#A problematic close pending. Prolog (talk) 19:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm reverting the move. Not only was there not consensus to make the move, but as was pointed out, ""Huelkenberg" would be the correct way to spell the name without the umlaut. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Kinda strange comment. There wasn't a consensus to move Sasa Tuksar either yet you read a comment at the bottom that had a link to a discussion about an essay and used that to make a decision. Not tennis guidelines, not huge discussions at Novak Djokovic...but a minor discussion about a personal essay. And then this move revert? This sure is a bumpy road. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah. This implies that he himself, as well as 90 percent of GNews sources, spells the name wrong. It also means that that the article is being moved for a reason that never even came up in the RM. Kauffner (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

It's very unlikely that he edits his own website, although he does operate his own twitter account, and that uses the umlaut. His twitter address does not use it, no doubt solely to make it easier for non-Germans to find him, given that the English keyboard layout has no umlaut. Wikipedia does not have that problem as the non-umlaut version directs straight to the correct version. You'll note that the logo in the top left corner of his website homepage uses the umlaut. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

His Twitter address doesn't use an umlaut, but his name in the Twitter profile does. A link to his profile. Readro (talk) 22:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Exactly what I was meaning to say ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

As far as I know, Twitter doesn't even allow special characters in addresses. Prolog (talk) 22:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Then they have more sense than us. These passionate and unproductive discussions about diacritics in article titles cost us many contributors and add nothing to either Wikipedia or to the pet causes of the contributors who haunt them. Andrewa (talk) 14:14, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Nico Hülkenberg

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Nico Hülkenberg's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "droppedpoints":

• From Jochen Rindt: Until 1990, not all points scored by a driver contributed to their final World Championship tally (see list of points scoring systems for more information). Numbers without parentheses are Championship points; numbers in parentheses are total points scored.
• From Mike Hawthorn: Up until 1990, not all points scored by a driver contributed to their final World Championship tally (see list of points scoring systems for more information). Numbers without parentheses are Championship points; numbers in parentheses are total points scored.
• From José Froilán González: Up until 1990, not all points scored by a driver contributed to their final World Championship tally (see list of points scoring systems for more information). Number without parentheses are Championship points; numbers in parentheses are total points scored.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:51, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The "droppedpoints" references have been removed have been removed from the article. (They were unnecessary). DH85868993 (talk) 13:34, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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