Talk:Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy

centre-left?

I don't think this party is left-wing by any metric and no source ever called them that. I don't think two minor ex-SLD members joining them makes the party left-wing. Tomeka2 (talk) 09:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello there!

I reckon it is a specific situation in that this party is too new to have been assessed by political scientists or such; given how the party is pretty minor, it might never will. No offense to the party of course, never seen a party that is more or less single-issue regionalist one, they might have some luck.

Few arguments for such position would be that the party did explicitly reject being right-wing and brought up its local coalitions with Lewica; other thing is that there are members of the party who explicitly called themselves (or the party itself) left-wing.

Lastly, we can take a look at their social views. I won't get into economics since PiS is called economically left-wing by some, which makes it a useless talking point... But on social issues, I think a case can be made for this party being centre-left. They did support the 2020 Women's Strike and went as far as saying that PiS is "on the wrong side of history". There was also a debate a few days ago (24 September), in which the committee of this party took part in. They said that "Poland should become a comfortable and good country for economic migrants", expressed their support for state funding of in-vitro programs, and when asked about abortion, the spokeswoman of the party said that it's "solely a matter for the woman. It is up to the woman to decide whether or not to have an abortion".

I believe that this would make a centre-right label plain wrong, and the "centre" label misleading. I reckon it could be something like "centre to centre-left", if it would make you feel more comfortable with it. Thanks! Brat Forelli (talk) 14:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for you answer. Perhaps we have a different understanding of the left- and right-wing split, but simply supporting at-will abortion or welcoming economic migrants is not leftist just yet. If you believe ex-Lewica members joining them is an argument to put them on the left side of the political spectrum, then consider Paweł Kukiz, Robert Gwiazdowski, and Marek Jakubiak -- all of which are textbook right-wingers and all at some point were part of the BS. Tomeka2 (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, thank you for your observations!

Oh, don't worry, I'd be the last person to suggest that a party or a politician being socially conservative disqualifies them from being left-wing, for example.

However, I do believe that supporting abortion on-demand and welcoming economic immigration would make it difficult for a party to be right-wing or centrist in Poland. They would have to be right-wing economically for example.

But their economic program does lean left - free lunches in schools, education voucher (PLN 100 per month per pupil), higher salaries for teachers. But something more ambitious is their plan for free public transport, which the party presents as an ecological solution too. So we can safely say they're not neoliberal at least.

Lastly, you brought these 3 right-wing politicians that were members of the party. Yes, but what differs them from these ex-SLD politicians is that all 3 of those whom you listed are no longer members of Bezpartyjni, while those SLDers very much are.Brat Forelli (talk) 00:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

we list PO as just centre-right and KO as Big tent, is BS really so "much" to the left of them? Braganza (talk) 08:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

BS is not a left-wing party by any means and it probably can't be categorized as right-wing either because it's composed of people having mixed interests, but generally are conservative-liberal.

And they literally started co-operating with Confederation now, which is a far right coalition. Pingijno (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

They did not, in fact. What you are referring to is Confederation registering a committee that implies such coalition without even reaching to BS about it.[1]

In fact, the party is suing Confederation for this.[2] Brat Forelli🦊 11:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved to Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 12:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

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Nonpartisan Local Government Activists → Nonpartisan Localists – I suggest changing the translation of "samorządowcy" from "local government activists" to "localists" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/localist). This would be more concise and probably more accurate to the original meaning – "samorządowcy" usually aren't really activists. CrimsonCube (talk) 00:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Move to Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy. Why are we translating at all? The fact there is dispute about the translation shows that translation isn't usual. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Move to Bezpartyjni Samorządowcy. I agree with Necrothesp, both the current and proposed translations just sound so odd, and there is no consistent translation used by english-speaking media, with coverage being scarce anyway as it is a marginal party. Brat Forelli🦊 17:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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