Talk:North America and West Indies Station
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commanders table
editHere is a table of Commanders in Chief adapted from the one used in the Pacific Station article. I've tried to clearly display gaps with ellipses. As more data and references are uncovered more of the gaps may be filled in. Then this table can eventually be transferred to the article. 67.86.75.96 (talk) 02:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
| List of Commanders-in-chief[1][2] | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Commander-in-Chief | From | Until | Notes |
| 1745 | |||
| ... | |||
| Commodore Lord Alexander Collville | November 1759 | October 1762 | |
| Commodore Richard Spry | October 1762 | October 1763 | |
| Rear Admiral Lord Alexander Collville | October 1763 | September 1766 | |
| Captain Joseph Deane | September 1766 | November 1766 | (Senior Captain) |
| Captain Archibald Kennedy | November 1766 | July 1767 | (Senior Captain) |
| Commodore Samuel Hood | July 1767 | October 1770 | |
| Commodore James Gambier | October 1770 | August 1771 | |
| Rear Admiral John Montagu | August 1771 | June 1774 | |
| Vice Admiral Samuel Graves | June 1774 | January 1776 | |
| ... | |||
| Rear Admiral Thomas Graves | 1780 | 1782[3] | |
| ... | |||
| Richard Hughes | circa 1780s[4] | ||
| ... | |||
| Andrew Mitchell | 1802 | 1806[5] | Died in commission in Bermuda |
| ... | |||
| John Warren | 1813 | 1814[6] | |
| ... | |||
| Vice-Admiral Edward Griffith Colpoys | 20 February 1830 | 6 December 1832 | |
| Vice-Admiral George Cockburn | 6 December 1832 | 12 February 1836 | |
| Vice-Admiral Peter Halkett | 12 February 1836 | 11 February 1837 | Admiral 10 January 1837 |
| Vice-Admiral Charles Paget | 11 February 1837 | 27 January 1839 | Died in commission |
| Vice-Admiral Thomas Harvey | 22 March 1839 | 28 May 1841 | Died in commission |
| Vice-Admiral Charles Adam | 17 August 1841 | 27 December 1844 | |
| Vice-Admiral Francis Austen | 27 December 1844 | 12 January 1848 | |
| Vice-Admiral Thomas Cochrane | 12 January 1848 | 13 January 1851 | |
| Vice-Admiral George Seymour | 13 January 1851 | 23 November 1853 | |
| Rear-Admiral Arthur Fanshawe | 23 November 1853 | 26 November 1856 | |
| Rear-Admiral Houston Stewart | 26 November 1856 | 13 January 1860 | Vice-Admiral 30 July 1857 |
| Rear-Admiral Alexander Milne | 13 January 1860 | 7 January 1864 | |
| Vice-Admiral James Hope | 7 January 1864 | 10 January 1867 | |
| Vice-Admiral George Rodney Mundy | 10 January 1867 | 30 June 1869 | Admiral 26 May 1869 |
| Vice-Admiral George Wellesley | 30 June 1869 | 13 September 1870 | |
| Vice-Admiral Edward Gennys Fanshawe | 13 September 1870 | 9 September 1873 | |
| Vice-Admiral George Wellesley | 9 September 1873 | 22 December 1875 | |
| Vice-Admiral Astley Cooper Key | 22 December 1875 | 1 April 1878 | |
| Vice-Admiral Edward Augustus Inglefield | 1 April 1878 | 27 November 1879 | |
| Vice-Admiral Francis Leopold McClintock | 27 November 1879 | 7 November 1882 | |
| Vice-Admiral John Edmund Commerell | 7 November 1882 | 25 August 1885 | |
| Vice-Admiral Richard Meade | 25 August 1885 | 4 September 1886 | |
| Vice-Admiral Algernon Lyons | 4 September 1886 | 15 December 1888 | |
| Vice-Admiral George Willes Watson | 15 December 1888 | 15 December 1891 | |
| Vice-Admiral John Ommanney Hopkins | 15 December 1891 | 17 April 1895 | |
| Vice-Admiral James Elphinstone Erskine | 17 April 1895 | 15 September 1897 | |
| Vice-Admiral John Arbuthnot Fisher | 15 September 1897 | 1 May 1899 | |
| Frederick Bedford | 1899 | 1903[7] | |
| ... | |||
| W. L. Grant | 1918[8] | ||
| Commander-in-Chief, North America and West Indies[9] | From | Until | Notes |
| Vice-Admiral Trevylyan Dacres Willes Napier | 1 December 1919 | 16 October 1920 | |
| Vice-Admiral William Christopher Pakenham | 16 October 1920 | 1 January 1923 | Promoted to Admiral 6 April 1922 |
| Vice-Admiral Michael Culme-Seymour | 1 January 1923 | 26 May 1924 | |
| Vice-Admiral James Andrew Fergusson | 26 May 1924 | 2 June 1926 | Promoted to Admiral 1 August 1927 |
| Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies[9] | From | Until | Notes |
| Vice-Admiral Walter Henry Cowan | 2 June 1926 | 5 June 1928 | Promoted to Admiral 1 August 1927 |
| Vice-Admiral Cyril Thomas Moulden Fuller | 5 June 1928 | 7 May 1930 | |
| Vice-Admiral Vernon Harry Stuart Haggard | 7 May 1930 | 11 May 1932 | |
| Rear-Admiral Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax | 11 May 1932 | 26 May 1937 | |
| Vice-Admiral Matthew Robert Best | 21 November 1934 | 26 May 1937 | |
| Admiral Sidney Julius Meyrick | 26 May 1937 | at least 1939[10] | |
| ... | |||
| Vice Admiral William G. Andrewes | circa 1952 and later | ||
| ... | |||
- ^ Stout, Neil R. (1973). The Royal Navy in America, 1760-1775: A Study of Enforcement of British Colonial Policy in the Era of the American Revolution. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press. p. 199.
- ^ Davis, Peter. "Principal Royal Navy Commanders-in-Chief 1830-1899". Retrieved 2010-03-04.
- ^ "Graves, Thomas, Admiral 1st Baron Graves, 1725-1802... – GRV/101-120". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
- ^ "Research guide N1: Horatio Nelson : Biographies - Cook and Nelson : Research guides : The Library : Researchers : NMM". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
- ^ "Union Flag (AAA0575) - National Maritime Museum". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
- ^ Newfield, Gareth. "Crimes of the Independent Companies of Foreigners in North America, 1813 by Gareth Newfield". Retrieved 2010-03-04.
- ^ "Bedford, Sir Frederick George Denham, Admiral, 1838-1913... – BED". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
- ^ Schliehauf, Bill. "Plan "BCR"". Retrieved 2010-03-04.
{{cite web}}: Unknown parameter|coauthors=ignored (|author=suggested) (help) - ^ a b Bevand, Paul A. (21 Ocotber 2007). "Holders of the appointment Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies 1904-1945". Retrieved 2010-04-03.
{{cite web}}: Check date values in:|date=(help); Unknown parameter|coauthor=ignored (|author=suggested) (help) - ^ Niehorster, Leo (1 May 2001). "America and West Indies Command, Royal Navy, 3.09.39". Retrieved 2010-03-04.
Page Title
editWhy was "North American and West Indies Station" chosen over North American Station, North America and West Indies Station, America and West Indies Station, and finally, West Indies Station? --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 16:31, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
See discussion below:
(Addressed to User:Buckshot06) I note and agree with your attempt to update the title of the North American Station article. However to apply the last used name I suspect we should use "America and West Indies Station". What do you think? Dormskirk (talk) 22:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I suppose you may be right. But if anything, I probably went with including 'North' because the station had that appelation for most of it's history, and was thus better known under that name. A&WI was only the title for a short period. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it was actually officially called the North American and West Indies Station though. Certainly not in the Navy Lists I've looked at, an Admiralty ledger of flag appointments from 1907 to 1919, or the Service Records of C.-in-C.s up to and including Cowan. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 16:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I noticed that myself. I think the ideal would be "North America and West Indies Station". We need an admin to move the article to that title (I have tried myself without success). Dormskirk (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I recall trying to move something years ago with dire results. I thought I'd bring the subject up since you've had to correct God knows how many links recently. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 17:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I think we need User:Buckshot06 to do the move (he is an admin so he probably knows what he is doing). I am quite happy to fix the links again afterwards once we have got the title entirely correct. Dormskirk (talk) 17:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Move is made - thanks for drawing this to my attention. Hope you are both having good holidays.. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- That's great. Many thanks and best wishes to you too. Dormskirk (talk) 20:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Move is made - thanks for drawing this to my attention. Hope you are both having good holidays.. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I think we need User:Buckshot06 to do the move (he is an admin so he probably knows what he is doing). I am quite happy to fix the links again afterwards once we have got the title entirely correct. Dormskirk (talk) 17:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I recall trying to move something years ago with dire results. I thought I'd bring the subject up since you've had to correct God knows how many links recently. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 17:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Senior Naval Officer, West Indies was the title from 1956, NOT Commodore WI
editCopied for information from User talk:Navops47
I have just reviewed your edits at North America & West Indies Station and seen your inaccurate replacement of SNOWI with Commodore West Indies at [1] on 7 June 2018. I inserted the correct data on 15 June 2008 - that the A & WI station was replaced by SNOWI [2]. While the reference supporting the edit disappeared (UK Chiefs of Staff Committee, Command in the Caribbean, DEFE 5/188/4, January 1971, via The National Archives) another clear reference can be seen here - https://ziladoc.com/download/the-naval-review-3_pdf - page 68 of that issue of the Naval Review. I would kindly ask you again to ensure that any of your wholesale copying over from Colin Mackie's site is carefully checked - I am losing my patience running around cleaning up after your edits of dubious competence!! Buckshot06 (talk) 01:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
British naval forces subordinated to USN in Western Atlantic, World War II
editDear Aodhdubh, you have again reinstated a claim in this article that "The senior British officer was subordinated to his United States Navy counterpart as the Allied command in the North Atlantic was divided, with the United States taking command in the West and the United Kingdom in the East" during World War II.
You appear to have inferred this from the title change from Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies, to Senior British Naval Officer, Western Atlantic, in the 1942-1945 period.
Please come to wt:milhist and explain your sources more - nothing in your sources indicates why you might believe this. Suggest we talk at Milhist because not many people will look at this talk page. Kind regards, Buckshot06 (talk) 23:12, 24 February 2024 (UTC)